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Old 09-05-2011, 06:02 PM
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I know you're sending Powergrip some clear IONs and Axes, you better send them out soon...
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Old 09-05-2011, 08:03 PM
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Been working my Vector pretty hard, still a little overstable for me...but I'm not giving up on it. It won't take long to beat it in on the courses that I play w/ alot of trees...
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Old 09-06-2011, 02:09 AM
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Uhh, I switched to IONs and really love them. My putting improves and my favorite is a white light one, late model. I've used them for several months, like them, took my Aviar OUT of the bag...

On a whim, I gave my Aviar a bath, circled it in my hands and shoved it in there a couple of weeks ago. I'm choosing it more, and more on longer putts.



And digging it.

IONs are cool but they have not stood the test of time. I'm digging my Aviar again lots.

The rubber edge has no advantage far as I can tell, the GYRO tech chip may not be working, can't tell, it just has a flight characteristic as other discs do.

I carry one but am using it less and less and my putting percentage is staying the same.

I purchased all my MVP discs, the Vectors didn't make it, the ION may be lost due to lack of use.

I don't "bad mouth" discs, I like the ION but it is not what I thought it was, it is not a magic disc, it is a choice and not a bad choice.

I gave one each to my golf buddies, they don't do disc Internet or marketing from anywhere...

Their putting is not getting any better, skewed because I gifted the discs to them.

I wish MVP all the best but I am enjoying my Aviar again and my ION less and not missing it.
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Old 09-06-2011, 09:34 AM
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The Ion cannot improve anyone's putting...Things that improve putting include practice, confidence, comfortability, etc. Changing putters often gives a temporary improvement in confidence and focus that usually wears off in a couple weeks and you are back to baseline.

I could still take or leave the Ion for putting. My putting is no better or worse with the Ion than it was with several other discs. The Ion does make lighter putters better, and I may be seeing some improvement in longer putts from being able to use a lighter putter, but it would be stretch in any way to say the Ion has made me a better putter.

The Ion is irreplaceable for me as an approach disc and driver. No other disc can match it's performance in this capacity, and that is where I notice the Gyro advantages the most. It goes farther, lower, and easier than any other true putter mold (putters that are fairly high profile and glide rather than cut through the air). Old ones are perfectly neutral and the newer ones are stable enough for just about any wind. I can literally play a whole course with Ions, and they would be my one disc choice for just about any course. Since I love the Ion so much for everything else, I putt with it because I believe I can putt just about the same with any disc I feel comfortable with. It does have strengths and weaknesses as a putting mold, as does every other disc.
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Old 09-06-2011, 10:10 AM
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Even if the ION didn't fly any better than a Wizard on drives (which it does in my opinion mind you, it suits my style better) and the overmold didn't bring better gyroscopic properties to the table, I'd still use the ION. Two reasons: The IONs take forever to beat up (especially the rim, it doesn't get ragged due to the overmold) and MVP is easily the most consistent disc maker out there. These two things would still put it in front of the competition for me, the fact that it flies as good as it does is just an added bonus.
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Old 09-06-2011, 03:31 PM
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Marshall Street flight guide puts the vector with the Cro. The Cro is one of the most unpredictable discs I've ever seen anybody throw, do you guys agree that it's Cro - like?
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Old 09-06-2011, 03:38 PM
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I have no idea about the stability of the Cro, but the Vector is wider diameter and definitely more gradual (turns and fades slower) than the Cro.
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Old 09-06-2011, 05:43 PM
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Marshall Street flight guide puts the vector with the Cro. The Cro is one of the most unpredictable discs I've ever seen anybody throw, do you guys agree that it's Cro - like?

The Vector flies nothing like the Crow. I've thrown both and I'd say that the Vector is more overstable and glides more than the Crow. Even when beat the Vector does not become flippy, it just fades less. The Crow starts losing HSS really quickly with wear. The Vector is also large diameter and the Crow is small diameter.
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Old 09-06-2011, 05:50 PM
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The Vector flies nothing like the Crow. I've thrown both and I'd say that the Vector is more overstable and glides more than the Crow. Even when beat the Vector does not become flippy, it just fades less. The Crow starts losing HSS really quickly with wear. The Vector is also large diameter and the Crow is small diameter.
Yea, when I saw MS put both of them at the same stability and speed, I figured something was up. There's no way there would be that much hype over a cro-like disc.
 

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Old 09-06-2011, 10:33 PM
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So....I'm really excited for the Axis. As soon as I have one I'll be taking it and my camera to Oak Ledges to test it out at a nice wooded course.
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