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Old 04-11-2015, 08:39 PM
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"Padding"?

I'm curious as to whether you're referring to disc-ratings or written content with this comment.

"TRS" shouldn't mean a whole lot to anyone. The beauty of DGCR is that everyone's opinion counts equally.
I'm referring to the written reviews. I get the impression some people write a review with the intent of gaining votes, as opposed to writing a review, and letting the chips fall where they may.

I realize the silver, gold, and diamond status, are incentives to encourage reviews. I just think for some people, reaching a certain level of reviewer becomes more important than the review itself.
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Old 04-11-2015, 08:59 PM
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TR status isn't the be all and end all, and Juke alludes to the fact that DGCR is basically democratic in nature, but here's an example where it's very useful to me.

Private course, rating = 3.89, 9 reviews. Of those 9 reviewers:
5 only have 1 review
2 have written 2 reviews
1 has written 3 reviews
1 is a Gold TR, with 223 reviews

We've all seen instances where a few locals create a profile and write reviews to pump up a local course's rating, especially if they personally have blood, sweat, tears (or money) invested in it. If you're visiting that area with limited time for DG and have to decide which course(s) to play/skip, assuming your don't know squat about any of the reviewers, do you really take what each of them says with equal weight?
If visiting an area with multiple courses and limited DG time, course choice is determined by reading some reviews, course designer, tee type. pictures, and course type i.e. hilly, wooded, flat, open, park or country setting. etc.

This may not be for everyone, but it works for me.
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Old 04-12-2015, 04:53 PM
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TR status isn't the be all and end all, and Juke alludes to the fact that DGCR is basically democratic in nature, but here's an example where it's very useful to me.

Private course, rating = 3.89, 9 reviews. Of those 9 reviewers:
5 only have 1 review
2 have written 2 reviews
1 has written 3 reviews
1 is a Gold TR, with 223 reviews

We've all seen instances where a few locals create a profile and write reviews to pump up a local course's rating, especially if they personally have blood, sweat, tears (or money) invested in it. If you're visiting that area with limited time for DG and have to decide which course(s) to play/skip, assuming your don't know squat about any of the reviewers, do you really take what each of them says with equal weight?
BNM hits it on the head here for me. I tend to sort by TRs also, mostly just for the face that most TRs have a decent chunk of courses played - they've seen a wider range of courses and usually have a good gauge of where a course falls on the scale. It's not that more reviews make you a better reviewer, but just that you have a good base scale. Obviously there will be some reviewers that fall through the cracks who have played plenty of courses but just don't review a lot, but those are fewer and farther between.
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Old 04-12-2015, 06:03 PM
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I realize the silver, gold, and diamond status, are incentives to encourage reviews. I just think for some people, reaching a certain level of reviewer becomes more important than the review itself.
Sure, it's nice when people write reviews "from the heart" as it were, but like anything else, people do what they do for their own reasons. As long as it encourages members to write plenty of reviews others find helpful, who cares what their motivation is? Why people write helpful reviews is completely secondary to the fact that they actually write helpful reviews. Whatever it takes to generate truly helpful reviews, the site and it's users benefit.

IMHO, the achievement seeking reviewer is infinitely better than the those who cobble together 18 words that basically say nothing just so the can hang a # on a course without providing any substance to support their rating.
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Old 04-12-2015, 10:52 PM
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This is just my personal opinion, but some reviews I read, lead me to believe some reviewers are "padding" reviews to gain votes, in an effort to achieve gold or diamond reviewer status.

For the most part, "trusted reviewer status," doesn't mean anything to me.
really doubt this is true in many cases. if someone just wanted to get thumbs, they could just review popular courses highly and put in a lot less work.

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BNM hits it on the head here for me. I tend to sort by TRs also, mostly just for the face that most TRs have a decent chunk of courses played - they've seen a wider range of courses and usually have a good gauge of where a course falls on the scale. It's not that more reviews make you a better reviewer, but just that you have a good base scale. Obviously there will be some reviewers that fall through the cracks who have played plenty of courses but just don't review a lot, but those are fewer and farther between.
well it sorta does. (not that your other points aren't true. but doing anything more tends to make people better at it.
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Old 04-13-2015, 09:58 AM
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Quite right. I guess I was just saying that that portion is secondary to me. But of course they go hand in hand.

But to Shipley's point, I think I get a little where he's coming from. Obviously all reviews aren't going to be straight from the heart, but sometimes extra words and bullet points may just not be required if the course really isn't all that spectacular.

For instance, in my reviews I usually try to list some specific holes that I like for one reason or another, and then a couple that maybe felt lack-luster. I like reading reviews before I go to a course, and having an idea of when I might be coming up on some of the cool holes. But, maybe on some courses that are pretty bland, me including the best holes that are actually not very good, but just better than the rest is just not needed info? Shipley, is that the kind of fluff or padding you're talking about?
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Old 04-13-2015, 11:56 AM
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I've read (almost) exemplary reviews, followed by a rating of 1.5 to 2.5 discs. IMO, this disparity indicates some reviews are written for votes, rather than content. I'd rather read a succinct review, then to read a review with the content being crafted to gain votes. This makes the review content ancillary.

FWIW, reviews won't always match the rating, and that's to be expected. However, there shouldn't be a large discrepancy when an individual has written an eloquent, thorough review that praises the course for it's asthetics, good risk/reward factors, good fun factor, informative tee signs, then rates the course two discs.
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