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Old 01-26-2015, 08:15 PM
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...I think I'll get with Roger on this. It looks like doing the round ratings weekly will be a better approach than averaging like we do most of the time for weekend events. The down side will be more volatility of ratings from week-to-week on the same layout where we'll get complaints for that instead of this issue. Still, it seems like it will be more fair...
Thanks Chuck!

I know folks will always find something to complain about, but I think this is probably the way to do leagues. We want folks to come out and participate. So, when tough conditions limit the turnout (they're gonna, after all), at least keeping the ratings based on that night's competition won't punish the hardy souls who put in the extra effort.

After all, with the leagues the way we're playing them, the group showing up any given week varies greatly. We aren't playing them as a series (which would maybe build more continuity), so there's no incentive (or compulsion) to attend when it might be a hardship. Anyway, thanks again for considering it. I appreciate all you do!
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Old 01-27-2015, 01:52 AM
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In the PDGA ratings FAQ it says that there only needs to be a minimum of 13 holes to produce ratings.
There's a tourney on bham where you play 4 times on custom 13 hole setups.

I usually don't start our spring league until it stays light until at least 7:00pm.
Could we have a few weeks that we only play one round 13 holes and still get rated rounds?
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Old 01-27-2015, 07:27 AM
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Yes, 13-hole layouts can be played in leagues. Just make sure to indicate the number of holes on the League report INFO page for the weeks only 13 were played.
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Old 01-27-2015, 07:24 PM
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Weather isn't directly accounted for, there isn't any adjustment to ratings based on wind or precipitation. The weather adjustment comes from the way ratings are calculated. Because they're derived from how people play on that particular day, they do take into account the conditions on that day without having to make some kind of guess on how much the scores were affected by those specific conditions.
So ratings are accounted for by virtue of the scores of the propagators on the course?

Maybe I'm not saying that right or getting my point across correctly -- I just started a league this month and am keen to understand all aspects of league play and how ratings are affected because I don't want to look completely clueless when I'm asked these questions that will invariably arise -- but mashnut's point seems to make sense. I can't imagine the PDGA would take into account the weather conditions of a particular course or layout on a particular day.

That said, am I correct in understanding that the term "propagators" are the number of rated, current PDGA members playing in a particular league round?
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Old 01-27-2015, 07:35 PM
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Rather than post answers one at a time, here are the FAQs for Ratings and Leagues: http://www.pdga.com/faq
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Old 01-29-2015, 07:38 PM
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I think I'll get with Roger on this. It looks like doing the round ratings weekly will be a better approach than averaging like we do most of the time for weekend events. The down side will be more volatility of ratings from week-to-week on the same layout where we'll get complaints for that instead of this issue. Still, it seems like it will be more fair.
I'm glad I caught this post! That would be a significant change over previous years where all the rounds were averaged when it went 'Official'.

Although one problem I can foresee is that you may also end up with a lot of rounds with 5 or fewer propagators. By averaging them all together, you had many propagated rounds contributing to the accuracy.

I think a better solution would to include weather conditions (at the very least a wind &/or rain (yes/no)) to the spreadsheet report and group rounds of similar weather.

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Old 01-29-2015, 07:47 PM
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We would still combine rounds when the numbers are close but less likely to combine when the numbers are maybe more than 1 SSA apart on the same layout.
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Old 01-29-2015, 10:20 PM
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Although one problem I can foresee is that you may also end up with a lot of rounds with 5 or fewer propagators. By averaging them all together, you had many propagated rounds contributing to the accuracy.
Five props playing week 1 in the snow, five props playing week 2 in the wind & rain, and five props playing week 3 in ideal conditions, all averaged together still doesn't help your accuracy.

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I think a better solution would to include weather conditions (at the very least a wind &/or rain (yes/no)) to the spreadsheet report and group rounds of similar weather.
You can always force the issue in the report by listing the rounds you want split as a separate course config.
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We would still combine rounds when the numbers are close but less likely to combine when the numbers are maybe more than 1 SSA apart on the same layout.
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