#1  
Old 04-02-2014, 10:47 AM
bfowler bfowler is offline
Double Eagle Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Charlotte, NC
Years Playing: 2.3
Courses Played: 18
Throwing Style: RHBH
Posts: 1,003
Drive Smoothness

Should my drive be more like a car shifting gears as I go through the steps of x-step, plant, reachback, turn, grip, rip, follow through. Or should it be more fluid like pulling something down a greased track.

I notice when I concentrate on rocking/moving my core (with my arm extended back) from the toe of my plant through to the heel pivot. The movement of my whole body starts the disc towards the basket from the end of the reach back. After 4-6" inchs the "flow" continues with my core/shoulder rotation and heel pivot.

It feels almost like pulling air. It also feels like the disc is going faster then my arm and it harder to time my actual arm pull through the hit. Imagine the puck on a air hockey table and stand to the long side of the table. Use your hand hand slide the puck down the table but with force. You're sliding it against the air cushion and not pulling it with your weight.

Hey, that really fits. I just realized it feels more like I'm pushing the disc the pulling it.

When I don't concentrate on that smooth weight shift if feels more like I'm shifting gears in a car into each step. There's no pause but more like a micron of time from one part ending to the next beginning. It's easier to time my snap and easier to power with my arm. Many times too much arm.

I'm not sure if I'm making sense but wanted to explore this.

PS. I'm not getting any noticeable additional distance.

Last edited by bfowler; 04-02-2014 at 10:50 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 04-02-2014, 10:53 AM
sidewinder22's Avatar
sidewinder22 sidewinder22 is offline
* Ace Member *
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Creeping Creek DGC
Years Playing: 8.1
Courses Played: 106
Posts: 6,288
Something went wrong. Please make sure you added the video correctly. Click here to see how YouTube videos should be embedded. There could also be a technical issue that's not your fault. Click here to view the video on YouTube's site. If this link doesn't work, you did something wrong.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 04-02-2014, 04:47 PM
A rod's Avatar
A rod A rod is offline
Birdie Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Courses Played: 12
Posts: 424
I feel like the fluidity is the important concept. I can have bad timing on a throw but while being very fluid and smooth and be very close to my max distance.

Other times I feel like I'm hitting the positions of the form but not being very fluid and have less distance than normal.

I have a feeling the smooth concept is based around a good follow through. If I don't brace the front leg well I can still have great follow through and be approaching my max of 405. If I have a strong plant with lazy feet or hips I lose maybe 10-15% distance.

Tl;Dr better distance by being smooth than robotic, even if the robot hits more of the correct positions.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 04-02-2014, 05:35 PM
bfowler bfowler is offline
Double Eagle Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Charlotte, NC
Years Playing: 2.3
Courses Played: 18
Throwing Style: RHBH
Posts: 1,003
My follow through has always been horrible but between leading with my butt and getting my timing down it's getting better.

My big thing is when I start my active pull. I really have to make my arm not pull until late. If I start my pull halfway from my reach back I'll stop halfway through my pull. But if I hold off until around the right peck I'll whip around. The timing is just a lot harder to get down.

With a full pull I feel like I'm pulling my arm back instead of throwing the disc forward.

But it doesn't seem to matter if I get a full follow through or not I'm still only getting 325-350. Follow through feels better though and the throw feels easier.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 04-02-2014, 08:34 PM
sidewinder22's Avatar
sidewinder22 sidewinder22 is offline
* Ace Member *
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Creeping Creek DGC
Years Playing: 8.1
Courses Played: 106
Posts: 6,288
That doesn't sound right. The heel or foot should not pivot until the hit or after, otherwise you are spinning out of leverage. There needs to be some resistance to turning. The arm or hand/disc should plow through the hit forward(punching through the board not at the board), not come backward. You should be putting so much momentum on the disc, that it, the disc pulls you into the follow through effortlessly.

Correct sequencing = good easy distance and great consistency. Timing tends to come and go.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 04-03-2014, 08:37 AM
bfowler bfowler is offline
Double Eagle Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Charlotte, NC
Years Playing: 2.3
Courses Played: 18
Throwing Style: RHBH
Posts: 1,003
I may have not explained myself very well. Classic clock face. 12 pointing at the target. If I start my active arm pull with the disc at around 9 and my shoulder are still inline with the basket, my follow through will end about 2 or 3 o'clock.

If I delay my active arm pull until 10 or 10:30 I'll whip around and end up at 6 o'clock.

Now, that I think about it, the difference may be more that I'm getting my elbow out farther towards the target when I get a good follow through.

But you may be on to something with my form. My heel pivot seems to happen at the same time my core turns, right before the hit. My heel turn seems to mirror the path of the disc or it's like the arc my toe creates when I turn on my heel is the same arc the disc takes and they happen at the same time when my body and everything goes from shifting forward to the basket to starting the arc/turn. In short, I may be spinning out, at least partially. I'll take some video this week.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 04-03-2014, 01:14 PM
bfowler bfowler is offline
Double Eagle Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Charlotte, NC
Years Playing: 2.3
Courses Played: 18
Throwing Style: RHBH
Posts: 1,003
Went down the rabbit hole again after Sidewinders comments above and found a link to a video he's given me before but every new viewing I learn something new.

This time is was this one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zByUYQnVdY

In the video the guys says to keep your upper body even or behind your hips. And to basically keep good posture. I've always heard over and over about getting your weight over your front foot and I realized I've taken that too far.

Basically my shoulders are getting past my hips.

Looking at that I also found that while I do keep my head through my throw I was tilting it towards the target. This caused me to have trouble keeping my shoulder from tipping forward and it caused me to bend slightly over to my right side.

So, during my lunch I threw a few shots and I actually think I felt the brace or resistance that Sidewinder mentioned above for the first time. Not super strong but it was something I've not felt before. I put my Tangent and Comet out to 300 with ease. And I wasn't getting hardly any wrist snap at all.

I was just focused on staying centered and balanced. Staying really stacked with my shoulder on top of my hips and my head staying inline with my spine. No side to side waist bend and no head movement other than looking straight down.

This also might explain why a lot of time I get pain in my right hip joint. I've been pushing my weight forward and down into it.

Sorry to drone on but thanks again to Sidewinder and all the peoples on DGCR.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 04-03-2014, 01:55 PM
Tuckerman's Avatar
Tuckerman Tuckerman is offline
Newbie
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: New England
Years Playing: 1
Courses Played: 2
Throwing Style: RHBH
Posts: 14
Quote:
Originally Posted by bfowler View Post
I've always heard over and over about getting your weight over your front foot and I realized I've taken that too far.
This. Many times I have nearly flung myself off the tee pad.

Recently - basically, since reading this thread - I've begun working from the follow through backward. The X-step doesn't even come into play. I just side-step onto my plant leg and practice specific things. Get my toe down first... pivot on my heel... let my left shoulder/arm come around until it points at the target...

Anyway, knowing how it feels to finish a throw has helped. I am beginning to feel how the X-step gets me to those positions.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 04-03-2014, 02:09 PM
Grungedude42's Avatar
Grungedude42 Grungedude42 is offline
Double Eagle Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Indianapolis, IN
Years Playing: 14.4
Courses Played: 27
Throwing Style: RHBH
Posts: 1,636
If you're doing it right, shifting a car should be smooth, too. Jerkiness will cause loss of momentum.
Reply With Quote
 

  #10  
Old 04-03-2014, 07:08 PM
sidewinder22's Avatar
sidewinder22 sidewinder22 is offline
* Ace Member *
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Creeping Creek DGC
Years Playing: 8.1
Courses Played: 106
Posts: 6,288
Quote:
Originally Posted by bfowler View Post
Went down the rabbit hole again after Sidewinders comments above and found a link to a video he's given me before but every new viewing I learn something new.

This time is was this one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zByUYQnVdY

In the video the guys says to keep your upper body even or behind your hips. And to basically keep good posture. I've always heard over and over about getting your weight over your front foot and I realized I've taken that too far.

Basically my shoulders are getting past my hips.

Looking at that I also found that while I do keep my head through my throw I was tilting it towards the target. This caused me to have trouble keeping my shoulder from tipping forward and it caused me to bend slightly over to my right side.

So, during my lunch I threw a few shots and I actually think I felt the brace or resistance that Sidewinder mentioned above for the first time. Not super strong but it was something I've not felt before. I put my Tangent and Comet out to 300 with ease. And I wasn't getting hardly any wrist snap at all.

I was just focused on staying centered and balanced. Staying really stacked with my shoulder on top of my hips and my head staying inline with my spine. No side to side waist bend and no head movement other than looking straight down.

This also might explain why a lot of time I get pain in my right hip joint. I've been pushing my weight forward and down into it.

Sorry to drone on but thanks again to Sidewinder and all the peoples on DGCR.
I've forgotten how good Colin's vid is, that was almost custom tailored for your issues as well as everyone else.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:12 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.