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Old 06-22-2010, 12:34 AM
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The mids i'll be testing out are

174 DX Shark
175 GL Core (with that damn middle poppy top dome I hate)
175 Z Buzzz
167 Glo Z Buzzz
177 Domey X Buzzz
169 ESP FLX Buzzz
175 Flattop DX Roc
167 Domey DX Roc
171 Star San Marino Roc
175 DGA Squall
174 ESP Impact

I have too many discs for my experience in the game, however I regret nothing!
What, no Qms, Comet, or Fuse? Blasphemy!

BTW, if I had to play with just one mid, it would be one of those 3. 2 cents.
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Old 06-22-2010, 12:36 AM
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Hahah, you remind me of myself. I used to throw Aviars, but hated how they felt in a driving grip, so I bought a Pro Rhyno which felt a lot better in a driving grip. Can't argue personal preference. I still think it'd be worth your time to experiment with different driving grips, or even just go throw 20 drives with the Wizard and see if you can get used to it. It's just as accurate for 300' drives as it is for 30 foot putts.

The Impact you have would be a great disc to learn with. I think either that or the Buzz is all you need for the time being. Either will help you to learn the fundamentals, and once you get snap and timing down either will cruise well past 300'.

I'm going to take my suggestion and play my after work round with a bag containing nothing but putters and mids. I think I'll go 2x Magics, 2x Wizards, and 1 Buzz. Let me know how your mid / putter round goes.
My biggest problem is I read what works for other people and immediately try to adapt my game to what works for them. I notice this alot with trends in the forums here and with DGR lol.

I've tried a few dozen times at the park driving with the Wizard, and played 2 rounds of 18 with just it. I had a bad time and tried everything I could think of. The closest I can come to feeling comfort with it, is a stand still drive where I just reach back and come through straight with a putting grip with my index finger wrapped in tight to hold on. I was hitting ~ 180-220 max with that, but my finger was rubbed raw and needed a few days off and some athletic tape before I could hold a disc without bleeding. I love the wizard and would love some more 1 disc rounds, but my finger just says no bueno.

Sadly what feels best for driving is the Pig, which is a pretty big meathook once I get it out to about ~200 feet.

I might just have to skip the group of mid ranges for now until I am consistent again.

Do you think I even should be using max weight mid-ranges? The guy who started me led me to thinking same as I do now, ~166-169 drivers, 175 mids and putters and you'll never have to replace them.

I have that 167 glo buzzz and a 175 z buzzz. both are flat tops and feel great in the hand. No clue which I should be really throwing, they both fly about the same and when I crank them go about 250ish without loosing all the accuracy.

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What, no Qms, Comet, or Fuse? Blasphemy!

BTW, if I had to play with just one mid, it would be one of those 3. 2 cents.
I have a QMS and Comet. 169 Old stamp big QMS logo clear orange one that has the sharpest edge where your fingers wrap that it cut my buddies fingers where they wrapped over on a drive.

I have a 167 and a 164 Z Comet. Botht he QMS and Comet dont go that far for me. The comet used to turn and burn but now goes about 150 feet before I feel I'll be overpowering it to turn and burn. It's been around a month since I threw both and I just generally ignore them.

I know the comet is a great learning tool and it will always have a spot as an understable midrange to ~ 300 feet, but I'm not getting along with it. It deserves more of my time in the field, and I dont know why I refuse the time it deserves.

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Old 06-22-2010, 12:46 AM
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Saddest part is, my local (and only course) is on a college campus. Everyone here is a 1 discer and it's a champion plastic (almost all neon yellow or candy apple red) and I'm now up to my 4th Wraith and 3rd Beast. I've tried them both and really don't like what I do with them. The wraith is the biggest meathook I've thrown.

Nobody has names on discs here and it's not that easy to lose discs here. I found a Star Katana that nearly gave me my first ace on a 300 foot hole here that I just let go nice and slow on and it just went straight at the basket after about a 5-7 foot high speed turn.

I would love to get to the point where I only carry a midrange and a putter for the home course. Longest am tee is like 302 feet, but heavy woods and lots of narrow fairways.
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Old 06-22-2010, 12:54 AM
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It's unfortunate they don't make low profile putters that are straight flying. Do you have some shops where you can fondle different putters? Or some friends with putters you haven't tried? The dart might be worth looking into, but I think something slightly stable to straight, with a good amount of dome, is the best overall putter. But then again, I carry two putter molds...

Definitely something in your form limiting your distance if a comet turn and burns at 150. I throw Magics twice that far, and I know people that outdrive me by a lot. Take it out to a field or go play a 1 disc round with it. If it's turning over for you like that you're doing something wrong with your throw or it's so trashed it can't hold a straight line. I haven't thrown my QMS much and it's also a 180, but I've gotten it to about 360-370 feet.

Regarding the Buzzes, or any discs for that matter, if you have two otherwise identical discs except one is lighter than the other, and they don't behave much differently for you, go with the lighter one. It should be easier to control and get a bit more D, and be easier to work a variety of lines with. When you start tossing Buzzes around 300 the differences between them might stand out more.

the first thing you said is a good point. What works for you might not work for me and vice versa. Hell today on the course (Canton, Ohio, hole #10) on our second shots, my friend threw a Nuke at full power and I took a single step and ripped my Wizard at 80% power, and our drives weren't very far apart. Our second shots were both within 10 feet of the basket. I'd never consider using his approach, and he probably thinks the same way about my style. To a degree everyone develops their own style, but there are still fundamentals that apply to everyone's game regardless of how they like to approach individual shots.

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Longest am tee is like 302 feet, but heavy woods and lots of narrow fairways.
That's where putters and mids excel, short holes where control and shot placement is crucial. I've got a small 9 hole course nearby that's fun to play with a Buzz / Wizard combo.

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Old 06-22-2010, 01:05 AM
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It's unfortunate they don't make low profile putters that are straight flying.
They used to. It's the Champ Classic Roc. Little buggers are getting pricey though. A Q-mega isn't too bad of a substitute though.
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Old 06-22-2010, 01:06 AM
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sometimes we play pro tees then it goes up to around 440 feet

I have an echo star dart 172 and just doesnt feel right for me. A buddy loves it to death though and does what he wants.

I have quite a few putters and only a few things really feel good for how I want to throw. The one I reallly like the feel on is a 175 dx birdie I have. I've never thrown it, because I got it around the time I grabbed the wizard so there was nothing needed from it. I just found it hiding in my trunk and might have to bring it out, as it feels a bit more driving grip friendly.
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Old 06-22-2010, 01:09 AM
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They used to. It's the Champ Classic Roc. Little buggers are getting pricey though. A Q-mega isn't too bad of a substitute though.
Forgot about those. I threw with a lot more OAT when I owned one, but I remember it being turn prone on 200+ foot drives. The Omega SS Putter felt lower profile to me than the Q version, and it's a nice, straight flyer. Animage, that would be a good one to check out.

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I have quite a few putters and only a few things really feel good for how I want to throw. The one I reallly like the feel on is a 175 dx birdie I have. I've never thrown it, because I got it around the time I grabbed the wizard so there was nothing needed from it. I just found it hiding in my trunk and might have to bring it out, as it feels a bit more driving grip friendly.
Damn go play your home course with just the Birdie. They're fun to putt with and I bet they'd teach you how to drive with good form real quick.
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Old 06-22-2010, 01:13 AM
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I said I had alot of discs with very little repeats >.>

I've fondled dozens of different putters. The only decent thing from Discraft I found was the Banger GT, but I didnt like any of the Pro D's feels, nor the soft, and the ESP felt too mushy for me. I love the Ion but can't get it in the chains the way I putt.
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Old 06-22-2010, 11:33 PM
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I need to learn to throw about 1-2 feet higher while keeping nose down.

Testing today, I found I can easily hit 250 with the Buzzz, but getting it longer is a challenge. I was nailing my teebird and eagles both to around 330 without an issue on their own lines though.

I got decent results with the impact, but compared to the buzzz, I don't like the kind of throw I need to do. The impact seemed like it wanted my height than I like to throw at, as I love real flat low throws.

And despite watching the more snap videos a few times, I'm no closer to getting that snap.
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Bag has been changed up, been using alot of discs less.

172 SSS Magic - Trying out Laser putting. Trying to Lob less and this is helping
175 S Wizard - Old go-to
175 SSS Wizard - Newer Wizard, mostly a back up

167 Glo Buzzz - Tried and True
175 Z Buzzz - Like it a bit more in the wind and for the stronger late fade
175 Proline Squall - This is just in the test period, haven't used it much, but it seems to S Curve easily

168 Polaris LS - This replaced the Leopards as it's got a bit more reliable fade at the end like the Cheetah/Gazelle used to have. Loving everything about this disc and that with tree hits it's still going strong.
168 Opto River - Testing period as well. Goes farther for me than the PLS, turns a bit more, glides like a mofo. I love it, but trying to use it too much, it still might be a hair too fast for me.
167 Champ Teebird - Hasn't come out of the bag much. Reliable fade, but still need to push my distances with the other discs more.

Wizard - Still around 180 feet, still hate driving with it. It's just not comfortable.
Buzzz - Handling everything up to 280ish now
PLS - Typically anything over 275-310. I love powering this down somedays and sometimes just really ripping it.

I haven't seen much of an increase lately, mostly just the same plateau. Accuracy/Distance haven't budged. Fun level is still constant. I'm still for the most part a fairway/fringe kinda guy. Spending more time lately helping people find their discs than actually playing it seems.
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