What if the disc lands on top of basket

[thenamesben]

DROT's only became an issue with the basket technology. Back in the day trees were used with two lines, top and bottom, telling you that you have to hit between them. A DROT was then, impossible to perform. The baskets are supposed to be the "sweet spot" marked out on trees, therefore a DROT doesn't count.

[garublador]

Originally Posted by thenamesben

DROT's only became an issue with the basket technology. Back in the day trees were used with two lines, top and bottom, telling you that you have to hit between them. A DROT was then, impossible to perform. The baskets are supposed to be the "sweet spot" marked out on trees, therefore a DROT doesn't count.

Then how come blow throughs and bounce outs don't count? Wouldn't both of those mean that you hit the "sweet spot" between the imaginary lines? Baskets aren't trees therefore they should be treated like baskets, not trees. If DROT's aren't meant to count the rules on basket constution should make DROT's impossible. It's a legacy rule that was a bad decision from the start and should be let go.

[The Valkyrie Kid]

Originally Posted by Jimb

A disc on top of the basket is no good. Here's the official rule from the PDGA site/rule book.

http://www.pdga.com/rules/80313-holing-out

803.13 Holing Out

B. Disc Entrapment Devices: In order to hole out, the thrower must release the disc and it must come to rest supported by the chains or within one of the entrapment sections. This includes a disc wedged into or hanging from the lower entrapment section but excludes a disc resting on top of, or hanging outside of, the upper entrapment section. The disc must also remain within the chains or entrapment sections until removed.

(How embarassing. I can't edit the title of my post and it's the PDGA not the PDGS.)

I was playing in a group with a guy who claimed to be a PDGA Tournament official of some kind. His explanation was if your disc was touching the chains while resting on top, you counted it. If not, another stroke.

I think 803.13 kinda over rides his explanation. I'm taking his tourney referee official whistle away.

[magictenor1]

We had a whole other thread on this before. It doesn't count but it is an interesting debate as to whether it should. I am ok with it either way as long as it is clearly defined (as it is now)

[milow369]

I believe that you mark the lie directly under the basket with a mini. Remove the disc from the top of the basket. Ensure that your stance is positioned correctly and drop the disc into the basket. (then kick yourself in the @$$ as you walk to the next tee - joking)

I used to think that swatting the chains with a disc was good enough, but in a tourney it's sure to get called if you are playing with a stickler.

When playing for fun, I will count the stroke but I just grab the disc and swat the chains and just consider it a gimme. I will never count a disc resting on top of the basket as good.

what about a roller that jumps up at the last minute and wedges into the bottom of the basket? or the side of the basket? This has never happened to me but I believe it's good. Same rationale as a disc that is half OB and half in bounds. That is an in-bounds disc. Any comments?

[landon77]

That is a silly rule in a sense, if the goal is to make it in the basket, then technically if it lands on top of the basket it is still 'in', I also threw a soft disk and it stuck in the basket about 3/4 of it was in the basket, taking a stroke for a 1/4 of a disc seems silly, what if it rests on the lip?

[thenamesben]

A "wedgie" counts as long as you get to it before it falls out. If it falls out, then its a completed throw and you take the next stroke for your drop in.

Wedgie, yes.
DROT, no.

[_.-Dut-._]

Originally Posted by landon77

That is a silly rule in a sense, if the goal is to make it in the basket, then technically if it lands on top of the basket it is still 'in', I also threw a soft disk and it stuck in the basket about 3/4 of it was in the basket, taking a stroke for a 1/4 of a disc seems silly, what if it rests on the lip?

If it gets wedged into the basket its in. If its balancing on the rim of the Basket (which happened in a tournament I was in) its in. If its not being supported by the chains or the basket it is out. Meaning the pole and or the top of the target.

[Fore]

Originally Posted by Three Putt

It's called DROT (Disc Resting On Top.) When it happens to you, you are supposed to yell "OH, DROT!"

OK, so your not supposed to. I do, though.

I like this approach. It's better than the other four letter word that comes out of my mouth when this happens to me.

[Jimb]

I'm a stickler for the rules whether I like them or not. So I think that I would only be cheating myself if I were to count a DROT as being a completed hole. It's like a Mulligan. Yeah, it'll probably make your score look a little better... but does it do anything to improve your game? No it doesn't.

And if you start bending one rule, where will it end? How about this. If you're playing a course with a marked off OB and your disc lands 1" OB, do you take the penalty stroke or do you just write it off as "close enough?" I bite the bullet and take the penalty. If I'm OB then I'm OB.

And actually, I don't mind the DROT rule at all. I understand the resting in the basket is the intended purpose of the catching device. What really surprises me, is that discs wedged in the basket do count as completing a hole. I couldn't believe that when I first read the rules. To me, that doesn't make any sense since, technically, the disc isn't IN the basket at all.

In any case, I'll stick to all of the rules even though I haven't yet played in a tourney. When I do, though, I shouldn't have any rule violation issues.