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Old 03-01-2009, 02:05 PM
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I think you did the right thing. Kids now days have no respect at all. It's like I tell my kids THEY WILL NEVER FIND YOU'RE BODY!!
Was it Bill Cosby or Richard Pryor that said their dad would tell them "I'LL JUST KILL YOU AND MAKE ANOTHER ONE THAT LOOKS JUST LIKE YOU!"

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Old 03-01-2009, 02:14 PM
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Why it escalated to the point it did was:

First, I made it clear that my offer was for two dollars to find my disc which I already had in my hand when he started feeling around for my disc. When I saw the lady's disc, I put the two bucks away and pulled out the five and made it clear to him that the five was for both discs.

Well, when I held the five out, he snatched it out of my hand and then told me he was keeping the disc. It was pretty obvious from the look on his face that he thought he had gotten away with something. No doubt in my mind, if he hadn't been standing in water up to his waist, he would have broke and run with one or both discs.

Second, what a mouth this kid had on him. He never cussed until he thought he'd pulled a move on me. Arrogance, plain and simple, like what are you going to do about now?

I'm big on lessons and this kid definitely needed one.

Up until that point, even if he hadn't found my disc, I was going to give him the two bucks anyway just for his effort.

Would I have jumped in the water? Damn right, in a quarter of a second but I know I wouldn't have hit him. I would, however, have gotten my money and her disc back just to teach him a lesson.

I didn't say this in the original post because I have a tendency to write novels as you can see.

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so basically, you already thought u did the right thing but just wanted to see if everyone agreed with you?
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Old 03-01-2009, 02:15 PM
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All things considered, I think you handled the situation admirably.
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Old 03-01-2009, 02:18 PM
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I dont think you did wrong by asking him to retrieve the disc or offering to pay or trade for the other person's disc. However when he wanted to argue, you could've used that time to set an example of how to be an adult and just walked away.
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Old 03-01-2009, 02:20 PM
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when he wanted to argue, you could've used that time to set an example of how to be an adult and just walked away.
That would have encouraged and rewarded his belligerence, and shown him nothing about being an adult.
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Old 03-01-2009, 02:31 PM
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That would have encouraged and rewarded his belligerence, and shown him nothing about being an adult.
Yeah - however ultimately - at the end of the day. It is not his responsibility to be the 'father' of this child.

Look at it from the other perspective. If that boy's father would have walked up and saw/heard the older man threatening the young boy. Regardless of the reason why - the person posting this would either be in Jail, or would have been in a fight. That's true now, or 20/30 years ago.

It sounds like the agreement was altered, meaning the original agreement was for the boy to come over and retrieve the man's lost disc. Before that disc was pulled another disc came out of the water. At that point the poster then altered the deal, there is no mention here if the boy actually agreed to the deal. I'm guessing he did not.

At that point the boy has done a favor for the person posting this. It seems like when the boy said 'no' to the new deal the person posting this got upset.

From all accounts it seems like the boy did not start cussing like a sailor until he was threatened.
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Old 03-01-2009, 02:35 PM
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Woodpecker...nice post/thread.

Its a no win situation for you. They take the discs or your money or both and you get abused to boot. Or you challenge them and risk being labeled the bully.

Not my idea of fun.

I can't help but write an anecdote. I'm walking my dog. On a public sidewalk. The dog has tags and shots. I've got poop bags in my pocket. 3 guys sitting on a front porch. I look at them. One says..."what you looking at?" (insert attitude)
I've got several options here, but none of them are really satisfying.

Personally, I don't think you did anything right...or wrong. Somebody ( The Kid ) was looking for something.....a disc...cash...a Mexican Standoff or a fight. Or maybe just gaining face with his younger followers.

You responded in the moment.

Its a complicated issue because it takes the Return Lost Discs thread and Trash On The Course Thread and combines them.

You did your best in a bad situation and then offered it up for anonymous public scrutiny...... good for you, dude. Doing the right thing and then questioning it is what philosphers have been doing for centuries.

I could throw with Woodpecker...
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Old 03-01-2009, 02:40 PM
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I should add that I disagree with anyone who thinks children at large and in public and unsupervised should be given carte blanche and should not be challanged by responsible adults. Thats just dumb. It has nothing to do with being the kids father...its a social responsiblity.

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Old 03-01-2009, 03:02 PM
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This happened to me this week.

I'm at the local park and practicing throws. My bag is on the ground at one spot at there's some trees about 280 in the other direction. I'm throwing multiple discs back and forth. School lets out and kids filter through the park.
I'm near the trees collecting discs and getting ready to throw back to my bag.
I look up and a kid ( a girl, maybe 12 ) is going through my bag. I call to her and her group of 4-5 kids and say cut it out..thats my stuff. THEN...she reaches into my bag and throws a couple discs...

Clearly she's messing about... I walk over there and ask her why she's been looking in my bag. She says....I didn't know it was yours. I say, but you saw me when I shouted to you to cut it out. No answer to that. Then I say...let me look in your back pack. She's not down with this. Its mine she says. I say yes it is, but whats the difference...you went through my bag, now I'd like to go through yours. It got quiet then.
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Old 03-01-2009, 03:10 PM
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I should add that I disagree with anyone who thinks children at large and in public and unsupervised should be given carte blanche and should not be challanged by responsible adults. Thats just dumb. It has nothing to do with being the kids father...its a social responsiblity.
Exactly my point, most 13year old kids know a lot about social responsibility - maybe say as much as the much older adult...<Insert Sarcasm here>

Also - I never said kids should not be responsible. As a point of reference, I feel those kids should have been supervised. That is a failing of the parents, but that does not give others the right to intimidate. Educate yes, intimidate no.

Moving along from the above mentioned quote which seems to want to start an argument. I have said before, I agree with the ultimate goal - just not how it was achieved, it is indeed a no win situation.
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