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#4001
09-16-2013, 12:10 AM
 tylerc Eagle Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: nc Years Playing: 6.4 Courses Played: 62 Posts: 858 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

does more spin always equal more turn? I watched a buddy chuck a star roadrunner nearly 500 feet into a headwind very straight from a 45 degree hyzer to pretty flat with little turnover.. but when asking how he didn't turn that into a road runner into a roller, my other buddy said that its because he has very smooth spin and a lot more of it than me but I would have rolled that roadrunner all the way over.. can someone explain this?
#4002
09-16-2013, 12:18 AM
 kutz167 Double Eagle Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Houston, TX Years Playing: 6.5 Courses Played: 126 Throwing Style: RHBH Posts: 1,864 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

Quote:
 Originally Posted by tylerc does more spin always equal more turn? I watched a buddy chuck a star roadrunner nearly 500 feet into a headwind very straight from a 45 degree hyzer to pretty flat with little turnover.. but when asking how he didn't turn that into a road runner into a roller, my other buddy said that its because he has very smooth spin and a lot more of it than me but I would have rolled that roadrunner all the way over.. can someone explain this?
If you impart more spin on a disc, you give it a greater rotational inertia, or resistance to rotate off of its axis. To experience this in real life, take a bike tire and put it on a rod just that you hold in your two hands. Spin it and then try to turn it. Then do the same without it spinning. The same mechanics are true for a disc in flight.
#4003
09-16-2013, 12:22 AM
 BogeyNoMore * Ace Member * Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Walled Lake, MI Years Playing: 12.4 Courses Played: 212 Throwing Style: RHBH Posts: 7,426 Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts

Quote:
 Originally Posted by tylerc does more spin always equal more turn?
No.. more spin is what gives a disc it gyroscopic tendencies, which enables a disc to better maintain whatever line it's on. All other things being equal (which they seldom are), more velocity results in greater turn... the harder you throw, the more turn you'll get from a given disc (assuming you're getting it up to speed to where it can turn).

There's a thread that discusses the subject in greater detail. Not everything in the thread (by myself or others) is necessarily accurate... it's more of a discussion of ideas back and forth, but I think this particular post is very insightful.

Last edited by BogeyNoMore; 09-16-2013 at 12:24 AM.
#4004
09-16-2013, 12:29 AM
 MoundsPounds Bogey Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Rancho Cordova, CA Years Playing: 3.3 Courses Played: 7 Throwing Style: RHBH Posts: 50 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

Quote:
 Originally Posted by tylerc does more spin always equal more turn? I watched a buddy chuck a star roadrunner nearly 500 feet into a headwind very straight from a 45 degree hyzer to pretty flat with little turnover.. but when asking how he didn't turn that into a road runner into a roller, my other buddy said that its because he has very smooth spin and a lot more of it than me but I would have rolled that roadrunner all the way over.. can someone explain this?
I'm a noob myself, so someone should double check my answer, but it sounds like your buddy did whats called a hyzer flip. Its when you use an understable disc(like the road runner), and throw it as a hyzer. When someone gets a good amount of spin in the disc, it will cause the disc to "flip up" from the hyzer position to flat, as you described. It then tends to glide farely straight for a long distance and then have a small fade at the end. Great for tunnel shots.

Edit: Saw bogey no more's post. He's got a lot more experiance then I so, I would go with his answer about it being speed not spin, but do look up the hyzer flip, because that is what he did i believe.

Also, just as a tip, coming from one noob to another (no offense if your not a noob) but I would drop the high speed driver, and even your fairway driver if you have one. You'll see all over the forums that people recommend playing with just a putter, or just a midrange in the beginning and develop good form and disc spin, as you call it.

I'll tell you from my experience, I bought a bunch of drivers and other discs in my first months and learned nothing. Put them aside and develope your game. I play with only my mids, and putter. You'll get form and accuracy and you really will learn to throw far and control the disc.

The forums has tons of useful info on how to develop grip, form etc.. PM me if you want some links. I've been going through it a lot lately. But honestly the big deep bombs are gonna come with time and form, not the magic disc at the store.

Last edited by MoundsPounds; 09-16-2013 at 12:31 AM.
#4005
09-16-2013, 12:39 AM
 7ontheline Eagle Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Midtown Memphis, TN Years Playing: 6.1 Courses Played: 49 Posts: 944 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post

Quote:
 Originally Posted by tylerc I watched a buddy chuck a star roadrunner nearly 500 feet into a headwind very straight from a 45 degree hyzer to pretty flat with little turnover.. can someone explain this?
Did you look at that disc?

I've got a buddy who has a candy pro firebird that has been factory stamped roadrunner Needless to say, he's gotten quite a few WTF looks when he tells folks he's gonna throw his roadrunner then it flies like the complete opposite of what they'd expect.

With enough hyzer, spin, and power I'd expect any disc to go a long way.
#4006
09-16-2013, 12:40 AM
 BogeyNoMore * Ace Member * Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Walled Lake, MI Years Playing: 12.4 Courses Played: 212 Throwing Style: RHBH Posts: 7,426 Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts

Mounds was correct - the fact that Tylerc says the disc was thrown on a 45 degree hyzer and flipped up flat = hyzer flip (i.e. throwing an understable disc on a hyzer angle, and the disc flips to flat.) The disc's turn is what causes it to flip up flat... hence the term "flippy" is often used to describe understable discs you can do this to.

Velocity is what makes a disc turn or flip up to flat when released on a hyzer... turn and flip are pretty much the same thing. If a disc is "flippy" enough, and thrown at a high enough speed, a hyzer flip can flip up to flat and then continue to turnover into a curve to the right (assuming a RHBH throw).

Hope that helps.

Last edited by BogeyNoMore; 09-16-2013 at 12:43 AM.
#4007
09-16-2013, 08:25 AM
 Anon Double Eagle Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: fargo Years Playing: 17.4 Courses Played: 35 Throwing Style: RHBH Posts: 1,246 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

Quote:
 Originally Posted by WallBall1995 So are there "majors" in pro DG? I see people talk about worlds a lot. What are the BIG tournaments everyone follows?
here are the 2013 national tour events (the 'majors' so to speak).

http://www.pdga.com/national-tour
#4008
09-16-2013, 08:45 AM
 krupicka Eagle Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Naperville, IL Years Playing: 15.3 Courses Played: 66 Posts: 914 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts

The NT events are not Majors

The next major is the USDGC held the first weekend of October.
http://www.pdga.com/pdga-major-events
#4009
09-16-2013, 09:03 AM
 tylerc Eagle Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: nc Years Playing: 6.4 Courses Played: 62 Posts: 858 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

thx for the info ill check out the other thread. just to clarify I know that's a hyzer flip and he was throwing a roadrunner and valkryie that far just saying so he was throwin flippy stuff.. but yea I just thought they would flip over into that wind and was amazed they didn't.. thx ill keep learning lol

#4010
09-18-2013, 06:54 PM
 WallBall1995 Newbie Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Waco, TX Courses Played: 10 Posts: 16 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

Putting practice: is it harmful to your game to practice with same mold but in different plastics? For example, I have 4 aviars all 172g, but 1 is a star and the others are DX. What say you guys?

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