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Old 04-22-2009, 03:43 PM
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Couple quick questions guys:

My friend and I are trying to play each course in our state by the end of the year. I'm writing a review for each one, as well as taking pics, as we go.

I have 5 reviews so far, and only 10 helpful votes. In fact my last one for Maple Hill got a neg vote (does that count against my total?). I'm doing the pics n reviews to:

A)try and help the site by reviewing courses no one else had. (same with adding pics as needed)
2) hopefully get more people in our local area out onto the course and raise the demand for courses.

so 10 helpfuls and 1 not helpful out of 5 reviews doesnt seem very good to me. I dont want to go all year doing these if my reviews themselves arent going to be helpful to people, or else its just kind of silly to take the time to do them lol.

So would a few of you trusted reviewers take a look at my reviews and let me know if there is some piece I'm missing, or whatever it is they are lacking? We've still got alot of the state's courses to go on out 09 tour and if I need to re-evaluate my approach to these its better to do so now than at the end of the year.




And Tim, is there anyway if someone clicks 'not helpful' that some sort of comment could be left for the reviewer. Like they need to give a reason why its not helpful? Otherwise I dont see how people will become better reviewers if they dont know whats wrong. Just a thought.
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Old 04-22-2009, 03:49 PM
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People sometimes just don't like your review. I doubt it has anything to do with what you posted. People like certain courses and they hate others. If you give a course you played a less than stellar review than someone else feels it deserves or you were not 100% clear on what you meant people can get upset over nothing.

Some people are just jerks. Keep playing and updating the reviews. I think this is a great idea.
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Old 04-22-2009, 03:51 PM
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wow...nexanimal all over again? :-P apprently she had a point tim if shes not the only one about the "negative comments"
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Old 04-22-2009, 03:54 PM
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Honestly people kind ways to complain about anything.
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Old 04-22-2009, 03:59 PM
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oh the fact that I got a 'negative comment' doesnt bother me. I didnt even look at it in that light.

I was thinking more along the lines of actual usefulness to the site. If we cant communicate why a review isnt helpful without having to PM someone, then whats the point of clicking 'no' on if the review was helpful or not. However if theres an easy way thats potential built in to saying 'no' on a review, then wont the reviews in general get better and be more of a resource? and lets face it, most people wont go out of their way to do something like that.


I'm just starting to travel any large distance specifically to play golf. So If I'm doing 4 or 5 hours or more of driving to get someplace I picked off the site, its in my best interest if the reviews on there are accurate and helpful. I dont wanna drive all that way to find out its actually a crappy course and locals just keep voting it up out of pride or something. I'm guessing that goes for other travelers too.
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Old 04-22-2009, 04:03 PM
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You have to consider that not everyone who reads your review and gets something out of it is going to bother to hit the little helpful button. Hell, I'll bet more than half of the folks who read reviews at this site aren't members. You can't vote on reviews if you aren't logged in. Just think of writing reviews as a public service.

Someone might google a course name and read your review five years from now and get something out of it. And that's a good thing.
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Old 04-22-2009, 04:15 PM
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I agree with you that not knowing why somebody finds your review unhelpful isn't very helpful in making better reviews. For what its worth I read your Maple Hill review and did find it helpful.

I've done two reviews and only 2 votes, 1 a piece and 1 of those are a not-helpful, which is discouraging because I put a lot of effort into both. For the 1 not helpful I went and played the course again for the first time this year. I put up photos of the full course as there were none and completely overhauled the review.
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Old 04-22-2009, 04:46 PM
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Huff,

A 10-to-1 ratio of helpful to non-helpful is pretty good. Two votes per review is a bit better than what I average, so don't take that necessarily as a negative.

A suggestion for being "helpful" (not in the voting sense): For your local courses, are there good directions how to get to the course? Find the first tee? A map of the course? Distances listed? Listing of local amenities? Put some of this information in your reviews, or better yet, add them as separate files under the links/files tab, and you'll be doing a service to everyone who plays the course, visitors and locals alike.

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Couple quick questions guys:

I have 5 reviews so far, and only 10 helpful votes. In fact my last one for Maple Hill got a neg vote (does that count against my total?). I'm doing the pics n reviews to:

A)try and help the site by reviewing courses no one else had. (same with adding pics as needed)
2) hopefully get more people in our local area out onto the course and raise the demand for courses.

so 10 helpfuls and 1 not helpful out of 5 reviews doesnt seem very good to me. I dont want to go all year doing these if my reviews themselves arent going to be helpful to people, or else its just kind of silly to take the time to do them lol.
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Old 04-22-2009, 05:51 PM
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Huff,

If I were you, I wouldn't worry about the negatives and wonder why. It'll just keep you up at night, and it's been talked to death on the site as well. http://www.dgcoursereview.com/forums...ead.php?t=2134 if you'd like to read the thread.

Now onto the bigger issue - These are the things I try to keep in mind when I write a review
1: Tee Boxes - condition, type, size, marked, multiple boxes, quality of the box, and signage.
2: Pins - condition, type, any design flaws i.e. bad install
3: Fairways - How does the course play - doglegs, length, foliage density, what kind foliage density, creative layout, water features, elevation changes, obstacles, or unique features that make you remember the hole
4: Location - Park, public or private, park facilities, area the course is in, people, busy or not, look of the course (well-used in good or bad way)
Any finally - how does the course compare to the other courses in the area? I also tend to personalize my review a bit in the other thoughts section - since I think that adds to my feel of the course.

Okay - that's a lot, but I tend to spend a good 30+ minutes writing, reading, and revising my reviews before I post them. I also usually do it on Word and copy and paste since people tend to dislike grammatical errors.

Even then after all that, and I think I have a good review - I still just have to hope that someone agrees with me. I have been lucky in that people tend to mark my reviews well, but I think that also has to do with the time spent creating it.

You also have the tangible that more popular courses are going to get reviewed more and rated more. How many DG'ers are scoping out Maine courses? Not to say your service isn't valuable, but again - I'm lucky to write about courses in the Houston area - much bigger pool of players interested in the courses I'm reviewing.

With all of that - I wish you the best, and I too liked your Maple Hill review - but I wish I could have read more about Quarry Run. Take a look at some of my reviews http://www.dgcoursereview.com/profile.php?id=2596, ERicJ always writes some good stuff http://www.dgcoursereview.com/profile.php?id=519, and I'm a big fan of DGTourists writing style http://www.dgcoursereview.com/profile.php?id=473 (Beaver Meadows is a good example). Spend some time, go through some of these reviews for ideas.

I also suggest picking a popular course and selecting the most helpful option. Then you can read the popular reviews versus unpopular to get some idea of what people like. And it's also interesting to note the reviewers have had to get better as the site grows. Old reviews that were good and were marked well seem to look mediocre to the newer reviews, so just yet another thing to keep in mind.
Harry Myers is a good example of both of these things: http://www.dgcoursereview.com/review...9&sort=helpful

Having said ALL of that - hang in there - you're are doing a great service to DG'ers everywhere, and be patient - hard work pays off eventually.
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Old 04-23-2009, 12:18 AM
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A few quick comments...

-Don't worry about the Maple Hill negative vote. On a course like that has lots of local loyalty some people will give you a thumbs down if you give any rating less than 5 discs.

-I read several of your reviews and I'd suggest that you add more information. Here are some ideas:
-In addition to those Trusted Reviewers already mentioned check out the reviews by:
  • Donovan I believe that he has the highest number of Yes votes and the highest ratio of "Yes votes per course". He's very entertaining
  • The Valkyrie Kid The first Gold Level TR. Very proflic.
  • Jaymon1 I like his approach.
  • There are also lots of other good TRs. Too many to mention them all, so I don't mean to leave anyone out. (You can find the Gold and Silver TRs by filtering the members for TRs, then sort the TRs by number of reviews.)
Keep it up! I'd love to visit Maine some day so your reviews will be a big help. I hope you're able to bag all the courses in your state!
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