Rock Ledge/ Terraced Green

[brentwood_17]

Calling for help out of the dgcoursereview clan. We have a new course going in and looking for other examples of rock ledges. We have 2 examples that I'm basing my ideas off of. Both holes are from Vallarta-Ast Course in Madison(aka Token Creek) Hole 6 and Hole 7. I have included a link to that course to see what I'm talking about. I also have attached a very rough drawing of the hole. You tee off well below the pin and you are facing a hill where the basket would be on the crest of the hill. The hill crest runs all the way across the hole.

http://www.dgcoursereview.com/galler...=805&mode=gal#

The hill we have is more steep than the hill in hole 6 of these pics.

Thanks
Brent Aschenbrenner
pdga 30040

[Texconsinite]

If you are in need of more extreme erosion control, check out hole 7 at Bryant Lake Park in the Twin Cities.


Stone may not be the answer


Just out of curiosity as a fellow wisconsinite, where IS stratford (which i assume is also where this new course is going in). This hill hole looks super cool, cant wait to play and review your new course.

[Texconsinite]

Also in the twin cities, Kaposia Park has an example of of stone terrace. Not as easy to see in the picture, but still.


Another example that could help, if your heart is set on stone, is Hole #4 at UW-Parkside in Racine. I know its not against a hill, but its quite tall.



With a hill as tall and steep as you are looking at, erosion will become a huge problem, especially since people will tear up the steep slope as they climb it to the basket, round after round. Thus, even if you put in rocks like at Vallarta-Ast, the players still need a way to climb up to the basket. As you said, the crest of the hill goes all the way across the hole, so that means you will probably need a long stretch of wall, but still doesnt answer the question of how players get up it. Personally, I dont like the idea of scrambling up a near vertical surface of rocks cemented together and Im sure most players would agree. However, if you only put the terrace directly between the basket and the tee, then players will just go around it, and walk up next to it, which just moves the erosion problem from the middle of the hole to beside the hole.

What I'm getting at is that with the kindof height and pitch you are talking about, you are gonna need some kind of stairs up the terrace, which would be easier with wood, and a fraction of the cost of stone (about 1/4), so something like the Bryant Lake example might suite your need better. I don't know what kind of wood those beams are or how that wooden terrace was built, but one person who would probably know is Bryant Lake course designer (& Team Discraft member) Timmy Gill. You can contact him through his website par72discgolf.com and ask him Anyways, thats my opinion and advice for what its worth. Im excited for you, and good luck with the course!! I'm always happy to hear about another new course being built here in Wisconsin. I'll try to post examples if I think of any more.

[A.Mutt]

At Brent Hambrick in Columbus we have two baskets that you must approach from above that are on man-made terraces. Holes 4 and 8 both will punish you if you put too much on you putt. I'll have to get a better picture of 8's but here is the basket for 4.

[brentwood_17]

I just talked to the designer and I mentioned eroision and I think I agree with him that I don't think that will be a problem. 1st my 1D paint diagram might be a little off, the hill is not that steep but steeper than hole 6 at Vallarta Ast in the picture. 2nd the course has strong sturdy prairie grass as that is what part of the course is "prairie" so I think that grass will hold up very well. Keep the pics coming of creative basket position on hillsides. I am just wondering what other people have seen. We had played the course I reference in Madison and we like the drop off of hole 7 and the fact that on hole 6 you must land on the ledge or above because if you hit the rocks right in front of the basket you could roll all the way back down the hill.

[brentwood_17]

This is a picture that we took yesterday looking back at the teepad from behind the green. I'm standing at the front edge of where the rock wall will go and it will be something like 16 ft across in the middle and the front rock edge will be about belt high. The basket will move out towards the edge about a foot away from the dropoff. The teepad will be right in front of the 4th fence post to the right of the tree on the left side of this pic.