150g Discs?

[KanyeKnievel]

Found a 150g sta valk today and never had a 150g disc before. I was wondering what exactly a lighter disc means and basically what the differences are from like 175. All details on them would be very appreciated!

[Bacon Grease]

You get out the gate faster but lose some accuracy along the way. Could make for longer distance yet it's more prone to the wind. I have a 150 star valk but it actually weighs 154 so you might want to check the weight. It kills in a tail wind! Check it out.

[kdogokc]

my 8 year old boy plays competitively & throws mostly 150's. lighter discs are much more manageable for slower arms. I don't throw any 150's anymore because I live in OKC...The Windy City. i just throw max weights within my speed & stability. Although I agree with the tailwind bit.

[roadtripstuff]

Lighter discs will definitely help clean up your form. They are a lot easier to turn over and if you have any OAT you will know very quickly. Other than that, pretty much what has been said, wind will affect them more and they are easier to get out there, but require good form and a nice touch to be accurate.

[Marmoset]

from a different thread.

Originally Posted by Marmoset

Lighter discs are easier to influnce specifically because of their lighter weight. This is why people claim that light discs are squirrelly.
Same statement in a different format... heavier discs have a higher tendency to hide user input. This is why people say heavier discs are more consistent.


Example: You are trying to throw a perfectly straight shot with a beat DX Rancho Roc. You know how to do it because you've done it a million times; release smooth and flat with good snap. You have 2 beat DX Rocs, one is 180g and the other is 150g.
The first throw is with the 180g Rancho. You realize you dropped tour arm on the follow through and accidentally introduced a small amount of OAT. The flight develops a tiny bit of unintended turn but it ends well enough and leaves you with a 25' putt.
The second throw is with the 150g beat Rancho. You perform the exact same throw complete with unintentional OAT. The only difference is the disc is now 30g lighter. Because there is less mass in the disc, that small amount of OAT will affect the flight path more dramatically. The 150g Roc now sails off to the right and lands 50' away from the basket.

Considering this example from a different angle, let's look at the two discs in the wind. A 15 MPH wind will bully the 150g disc much more easily than the 180g disc. It's really the same principle as the throwing example... it takes less force to move a lighter object. Or the same amount of force enacted on a heavy object and a lighter object will move the lighter object more.

Which disc is more consistent? Well, they both go where you throw them. The thrower is the inconsistent part of the equation. Heavier discs will try harder to compensate for small release errors which is why people like the heavier stuff especially in putters. Lighter discs will appear to magnify less than ideal form but when you have mastered your release then they will really sing and dance.

I threw all 150g discs for the pst year or two in an effort to clean up my technique. It worked pretty well; I can control a disc much better than I could before and my wind play is light years better. I hesitate to return to heavy discs because *in general* they take more effort to acheive the same results. There are certain advantages to heavy discs so they have their place.

Light discs are only squirrelly if you don't have control of them.

And yes, individual disc geometry/structure (PLH, dome, wing concavity, etc.) are much more influential than weight in regards to disc stability .

Originally Posted by Marmoset

I have written alot about disc weight. Here is one example:
How much does weight affect stability?
And here is a list that I've compiled:
The way I see it, FWIW
lighter discs:
1 Less power required- optimal cruising speed and RPMs are easier to achieve with lighter discs.
2 more distance from glide- a given bed of air will suspend a lighter disc for a longer period of time
3 more accuracy- my accuracy increases if I am throwing at 75% rather than 100%. Lighter discs allow me to throw at lower power levels so I am more likely to hit my intended line.
4 more useable discs- I can more easily hit the optimal cruising speed and RPMs on faster discs if they are light
5 they make you concentrate on your form more- unintended release variables can send a lighter disc in the wrong direction. You can fix this by changing your release or changing to a heavier, more overstable disc. I believe the correct solution to long term skill improvement is to fix my form, not the disc.
6 more versatility- partially because they are more sensitive to input variables, partially because I can either underthrow or overthrow them more easily
7 they make you learn to play the wind- the better you are in the wind the easier you will beat people.

heavier discs:
1 more easily available and more choices of different plastics
2 wind does not bully them as easily
3 they roll further/ they don't slow down as fast because of more momentum
4 usually viewed as *manly weights*
5 less sensitive= more forgiving

I probably missed a few on either side.

Of course, y'all know I throw all 150 class so my views are a little biased.

[Triflusal]

Im glad marmoset got in before bad info got out

[Marmoset]

Originally Posted by Triflusal

Im glad marmoset got in before bad info got out

Thanks... I post in pretty much every weight related thread I see

[Monocacy]

Originally Posted by KanyeKnievel

Found a 150g sta valk today and never had a 150g disc before. I was wondering what exactly a lighter disc means and basically what the differences are from like 175. All details on them would be very appreciated!

When I first started playing, I would have told you that a 150 Valk was uncontrollably flippy. Now, I throw 100' farther and find 150 Valks pretty stable. I don't think the disc changed.

Listen to Marmoset - 150 discs can definitely help you polish your throw.

[Bacon Grease]

Originally Posted by Marmoset

Quote:
Originally Posted by Marmoset View Post
Lighter discs are easier to influnce specifically because of their lighter weight. This is why people claim that light discs are squirrelly.
Same statement in a different format... heavier discs have a higher tendency to hide user input. This is why people say heavier discs are more consistent.


Example: You are trying to throw a perfectly straight shot with a beat DX Rancho Roc. You know how to do it because you've done it a million times; release smooth and flat with good snap. You have 2 beat DX Rocs, one is 180g and the other is 150g.
The first throw is with the 180g Rancho. You realize you dropped tour arm on the follow through and accidentally introduced a small amount of OAT. The flight develops a tiny bit of unintended turn but it ends well enough and leaves you with a 25' putt.
The second throw is with the 150g beat Rancho. You perform the exact same throw complete with unintentional OAT. The only difference is the disc is now 30g lighter. Because there is less mass in the disc, that small amount of OAT will affect the flight path more dramatically. The 150g Roc now sails off to the right and lands 50' away from the basket.

Considering this example from a different angle, let's look at the two discs in the wind. A 15 MPH wind will bully the 150g disc much more easily than the 180g disc. It's really the same principle as the throwing example... it takes less force to move a lighter object. Or the same amount of force enacted on a heavy object and a lighter object will move the lighter object more.

Which disc is more consistent? Well, they both go where you throw them. The thrower is the inconsistent part of the equation. Heavier discs will try harder to compensate for small release errors which is why people like the heavier stuff especially in putters. Lighter discs will appear to magnify less than ideal form but when you have mastered your release then they will really sing and dance.

I threw all 150g discs for the pst year or two in an effort to clean up my technique. It worked pretty well; I can control a disc much better than I could before and my wind play is light years better. I hesitate to return to heavy discs because *in general* they take more effort to acheive the same results. There are certain advantages to heavy discs so they have their place.

Light discs are only squirrelly if you don't have control of them.

And yes, individual disc geometry/structure (PLH, dome, wing concavity, etc.) are much more influential than weight in regards to disc stability .
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marmoset View Post
I have written alot about disc weight. Here is one example:
How much does weight affect stability?
And here is a list that I've compiled:
The way I see it, FWIW
lighter discs:
1 Less power required- optimal cruising speed and RPMs are easier to achieve with lighter discs.
2 more distance from glide- a given bed of air will suspend a lighter disc for a longer period of time
3 more accuracy- my accuracy increases if I am throwing at 75% rather than 100%. Lighter discs allow me to throw at lower power levels so I am more likely to hit my intended line.
4 more useable discs- I can more easily hit the optimal cruising speed and RPMs on faster discs if they are light
5 they make you concentrate on your form more- unintended release variables can send a lighter disc in the wrong direction. You can fix this by changing your release or changing to a heavier, more overstable disc. I believe the correct solution to long term skill improvement is to fix my form, not the disc.
6 more versatility- partially because they are more sensitive to input variables, partially because I can either underthrow or overthrow them more easily
7 they make you learn to play the wind- the better you are in the wind the easier you will beat people.

heavier discs:
1 more easily available and more choices of different plastics
2 wind does not bully them as easily
3 they roll further/ they don't slow down as fast because of more momentum
4 usually viewed as *manly weights*
5 less sensitive= more forgiving

I probably missed a few on either side.

Of course, y'all know I throw all 150 class so my views are a little biased.
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