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Old 05-25-2011, 06:29 PM
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I'm not sure the strength is coming from arm muscles, though. It's more from your back and pectorals than biceps and triceps. Grip strength is very important in both methods.
Agreed on grip strength. I think the triceps and shoulders have a little more to do with it, though. I am not, however, saying that they are primary by any stretch. I am just talking about a small difference. (If arm strength contributes 10% in American, maybe it only contributes 7% in Swedish, or something in that order of magnitude, anyway... but this is all conjecture)
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Old 05-25-2011, 06:39 PM
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The big thing I notice about the Swedish throwers is how several of them pull through very low and swing their off arms over their bodies. Is that the lever part? I'm not sure I understand what the lever thing means.
lever is a reference to leverage. Like the throwing arm of a trebuchet is a lever between the load, and the rotational axis (the body/shoulder in disc golf)
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Old 05-25-2011, 07:05 PM
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lever is a reference to leverage. Like the throwing arm of a trebuchet is a lever between the load, and the rotational axis (the body/shoulder in disc golf)
Ok... so the difference is that the Swedish style uses more leverage and the and the whip style (or whatever it's called) uses more of a reachback and arm speed?

One big thing I'm confused about is: do the Swedish do something different in the acceleration-power zone-hit period, or does the difference in the styles come more in what leads up to the hit?
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Old 05-26-2011, 02:55 AM
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Ok... so the difference is that the Swedish style uses more leverage and the and the whip style (or whatever it's called) uses more of a reachback and arm speed?

One big thing I'm confused about is: do the Swedish do something different in the acceleration-power zone-hit period, or does the difference in the styles come more in what leads up to the hit?
I think it's mostly about how the disc comes across the body and how the arm is used as a longer lever than bent arm. Bent arm relies on 5 pivot points, the core (hips), the shoulder, the elbow, and the wrist, and the release point on your hand. The swedish style reduces the angular movement of two of those, the elbow and the shoulder. This makes you use the core far more to force the arm as an entire "lever".

You could probably compare this to the power grip versus the climo grip. Both achieve the same thing at optimum use, but the climo grip is made to be more consistent. The disc only rips from one point, instead of 4. As it's said earlier in the thread, when bent arm goes wrong, it goes really wrong. Lever arm would be more consistent in the aspect that you don't have so many variables, I'm gonna start rambling but it's also akin to how Dave Feldberg teaches putting. No/little elbow and wrist movement means more consistent putting. Spin putters can be really good putters, but not as consistent at the push/pop putters.
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Old 05-26-2011, 08:03 AM
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I think it's mostly about how the disc comes across the body and how the arm is used as a longer lever than bent arm. Bent arm relies on 5 pivot points, the core (hips), the shoulder, the elbow, and the wrist, and the release point on your hand. The swedish style reduces the angular movement of two of those, the elbow and the shoulder. This makes you use the core far more to force the arm as an entire "lever".

You could probably compare this to the power grip versus the climo grip. Both achieve the same thing at optimum use, but the climo grip is made to be more consistent. The disc only rips from one point, instead of 4. As it's said earlier in the thread, when bent arm goes wrong, it goes really wrong. Lever arm would be more consistent in the aspect that you don't have so many variables, I'm gonna start rambling but it's also akin to how Dave Feldberg teaches putting. No/little elbow and wrist movement means more consistent putting. Spin putters can be really good putters, but not as consistent at the push/pop putters.
Ok, that makes sense, thanks! One reason I was confused was that I thought bent-elbow and lever styles were the same.
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Yesterday, I was able to go out to the course and I played excellently with a Swedish throwing style. On hole one, I threw a few short putter drives, and I was able to drive about 15-20' further than usual (past the basket) on a nice and more controlled line. Out of my first 3 drives, my two Ion drives were about two feet apart at the same distance, and my Magnet drive was between the two about a foot or two back. Looks like a keeper.

But, one concern I have is that I was having more premature releases than usual (maybe due to increased snap?). This is likely due to the fact that I've only played a round with this style. Will it get better with time or should I be modifying something? I was using a power grip, but should I change this? Or maybe just grip tighter?
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Old 05-27-2011, 07:48 PM
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LOLZ factory! arbitrary terms given to miniscule differences in throwing style, then trying to back it up with videos that pit americans vs scandinavians! love it. but srsly, the swedes throw a bit different because they are skinnier, of course, because of their long winter and socialist policies.
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Ok... so the difference is that the Swedish style uses more leverage and the and the whip style (or whatever it's called) uses more of a reachback and arm speed?

One big thing I'm confused about is: do the Swedish do something different in the acceleration-power zone-hit period, or does the difference in the styles come more in what leads up to the hit?
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what happens with the disc/arm during the final 12" of the throw is exactly the same for everyone throwing 500'.
That is from the post Trif posted of Blakes breakdown.
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