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Old 07-18-2011, 10:42 AM
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@zenbot Don't know if 803.07 applies because the spotter is not an "other player"

But looks like 803.05 says that the player can request that the spotter move the chair.
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Old 07-18-2011, 10:44 AM
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I would have whipped out the book on said 'official'
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Old 07-18-2011, 10:45 AM
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@zenbot Don't know if 803.07 applies because the spotter is not an "other player"

But looks like 803.05 says that the player can request that the spotter move the chair.
803.05 doesn't apply because it's only in the stance/ run-up area.

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A player may obtain relief only from the following obstacles that are in the stance or run-up area

A spotter is part of the staff and, I would think, have to follow the same rules of courtesy as a player.
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Old 07-18-2011, 11:12 AM
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A spotter's chair is no more part of the course than a spectator's baby carriage or a player's bag. The rules say the player can delay throwing until the course is free of distractions. Can you imagine if a spectater were in the way pushing a baby carriage, and you told them to take their baby and move but leave the carriage? Simply ridiculous.

The rules specifically provide that the player can request that other players to move themselves and their equipment from the course, and penalize them for failing to comply. The spotter can't be penalized. But he can certainly move his equipment and the player can wait until he does move it. The rules don't specify anything about the equipment of spectators because there is no way to penalize them. But it's just a distraction, and not part of the course.
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Old 07-18-2011, 11:13 AM
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The answer is in section 803.05A in the following statement: A player is allowed to request that other people remove themselves and/or their belongings from the player's stance or line of play.
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Old 07-18-2011, 11:32 AM
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The answer is in section 803.05A in the following statement: A player is allowed to request that other people remove themselves and/or their belongings from the player's stance or line of play.
With this being ruled then my comment

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My opinion and it is just that, is that the chair is there for the convenience to the spotter between groups. It is not there as a part of the course and therefore should be moved. Now, if he was using a stump as a chair, then since the stump is a normal part of the course then it shouldn't be moved but a lawn chair is carried in, and placed, therefore it is not part of the course.
Although just being my opinion is valid. And my wife said it was a waste of time to read the rule book.
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Old 07-18-2011, 11:57 AM
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What rule would apply to this? Not trying to argue just want some kind of direction.
I don't need a rule book to tell me I can or can't ask someone to move a chair. It is overcomplicating a very simple matter.
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Old 07-18-2011, 12:21 PM
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I don't need a rule book to tell me I can or can't ask someone to move a chair. It is overcomplicating a very simple matter.
This whole world is getting that way, Political Correctness is taking common sense out of too many situations where people want direction instead of making a logical decision.
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Old 07-18-2011, 12:25 PM
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I don't need a rule book to tell me I can or can't ask someone to move a chair. It is overcomplicating a very simple matter.
I agree but OP stated that the spotter wouldn't move the chair and the TD agreed with the spotter's decision.

I guess some rules have to be very specific because some people lack your good judgment.

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Old 07-18-2011, 12:31 PM
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