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What I've learned so far about distance

So i don't post much on the technique forums unless i see folks posting questions about putting or upshots, as distance has been a weakness of mine. I was stuck at about 320' with Terns and 300' with fairways and as my short game got better and better it was clear distance is was the major impediment to my scoring. So i have been working in the field 3-5 days a week, reading the posts here, watching Mcbeth slow-mo videos ad nauseam, and watching Shusterick's clinics for months now. Yesterday was my 5th consecutive session with throws breaking 400' (and 1 466'!) and i finally felt like i had something to contribute to this forum in terms of some things that have stood out as most important for me to focus on as my distance has improved.

1.Compressing at the hit- The biggest contributor to my distance has been changing my posture entering the hit and sticking with it past release. I was far too upright in my posture and i would throw my front shoulder open and lift my head during the throw. Allowing my body to drive my front shoulder open and keeping my head down until my back shoulder lifts it has been my number one focus. When i do it correctly it feels like my throwing arm is dragging behind and being whipped around my body by my core.

2. Relaxing- People have said over and over again to be loose and relaxed prior to the hit but it took a long time for this one to sink in. I didn't realize how much more relaxed i could be and how much looser my grip could be during my run up and backswing.

3. Balls of My Feet- I also realized that i was mostly flatfooted during my x step and was getting very little athletic benefit from my feet. it took my a while for me to understand that i could be on the balls of my feet during my run-up and still rotate on my heel.

Those three items have made by far the most difference to my distance. I just wanted to share my experience as for some folks (like myself) some concepts have to be heard in 8 different formats before they really get taken in. I also want to thank HUB, Sidewinder, and other folks in this forum helping people get better. This is all information they have shown in various ways and i am not trying to pass of any off these ideas as original. Just wanted to share my experience with people.
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Old Yesterday, 11:53 AM
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That's awesome! Glad to help - though I will gladly take all of the gratitude, we're just standing on the shoulders of giants.
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Congrats on the progress. I like your first point and I think it is something I could improve on. When you say your posture was too upright, how did you change that? Did you actually lean over or did keeping your head down kind of naturally fix that?
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Congrats on the progress. I like your first point and I think it is something I could improve on. When you say your posture was too upright, how did you change that? Did you actually lean over or did keeping your head down kind of naturally fix that?
Honestly i watched watched lots of Paul McBeth slow motion and tried to emulate his form.

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What i used to do was use my elbow to point down the line i wanted to throw, I would use a wide rail and feel myself come back to that point, and then throw. This was actually pretty accurate, just didn't give me much length. What i noticed with McBeth (and all the other long pros) is that everything is brought in towards their core a little bit, compressed so to speak. The feeling i have now when i am doing my run-up is that I'm rolling my front shoulder closed to the target and pointing down the line with my shoulder blade.

Keeping my head down until my back shoulder picks it up is tied into this idea and is straight out of Shusterick's driving instructional: Something went wrong. Please make sure you added the video correctly. Click here to see how YouTube videos should be embedded. There could also be a technical issue that's not your fault. Click here to view the video on YouTube's site. If this link doesn't work, you did something wrong.

If i start peeking and watching my drive by turning my head i find that i not only lose the power i get from keeping my spine aligned but turning my head during the hit causes me to open my shoulders early too and miss my line right.
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I just posted in the other thread about grip and basically said what you said in your point #2. The motion has to be loose and fluid. "Relaxed aggression" is key to success in many sporting activities.
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Hey! First of all I want to thank you for taking the time to post this as it is quite inspirational. I honestly feel that positive experiences and success are just as important as all the technical details (My moral can drop quickly when I'm grinding away and nothing seems to change, or at least change for the better consistantly). I have a few questions for you since I'm about in the same boat with driving distance (I had a good day where it all came together and I sent my Blizzard Krait out to 320' give or take a few multiple times as well as increasing distance with mids and putters...but i've fallen back in a slump now).

Point 1: I began throwing too low, forward, and constricted, then changed to as you described "...far too upright in my posture and i would throw my front shoulder open and lift my head during the throw" and spray shots or experience wobble that sends my disc like a reverse spike hyzer. I've felt that dragging, compressed feeling before, but it's fleeting. I'd like to ask you how your lower body feels in that regard, because in a room with a towel, if I turn my feet/knees in lik Sid, I can feel a springiness like it's on tap but seems to get lost by the time it should hit my shoulders and whip (when it is there, it's wild and uncrontrolled. Otherwise when I tense my tricep like Schusterick says, I seem to pull out in front and "strong arm" and I lose that feeling of loaded power/torque.

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Point 2: Relaxing is so hard. There are days where I feel it in my neck and arm from just trying to keep some things controlled (basically stiff). Any tips on developing cues/reminders?

Point 3: I'm working on my standstill/one-step before moving on. I've been playing with it in order to become familiar with the movement before going back to SW22's can-crush drill. I can feel pain in my right knee from bracing by not allowing the lower body to break with the follow through, so that's a huge focus for me right now. If I concentrate purely on the brace and allowing the break to happen on my heal and then attempt to walk out of the momentum, I throw nose up and feel like I'm losing power. I guess this works into how the torque is generated from the feet up. I'f I do my old way it's limited and hurts my knee (and I top out around 260' with mids/drivers). I'f I try to do it correctly I seem to lose power and control, but with occasional success out to 320'. Ah well, back to watching the videos. If you can relate to anything I mentioned and offer insight I'd be super greatful.

All that aside, CONGRATS!!! The guys here on DGCR have been great (HUB, SW22, Clard, Slowplastic, Dan Ensor has helped, and anyone else putting in time to help and share knowledge/wisdom). I hope to be hitting clean, powerful distance soon too! Love the post.
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Hey! First of all I want to thank you for taking the time to post this as it is quite inspirational. I honestly feel that positive experiences and success are just as important as all the technical details (My moral can drop quickly when I'm grinding away and nothing seems to change, or at least change for the better consistantly). I have a few questions for you since I'm about in the same boat with driving distance (I had a good day where it all came together and I sent my Blizzard Krait out to 320' give or take a few multiple times as well as increasing distance with mids and putters...but i've fallen back in a slump now).

Point 1: I began throwing too low, forward, and constricted, then changed to as you described "...far too upright in my posture and i would throw my front shoulder open and lift my head during the throw" and spray shots or experience wobble that sends my disc like a reverse spike hyzer. I've felt that dragging, compressed feeling before, but it's fleeting. I'd like to ask you how your lower body feels in that regard, because in a room with a towel, if I turn my feet/knees in lik Sid, I can feel a springiness like it's on tap but seems to get lost by the time it should hit my shoulders and whip (when it is there, it's wild and uncrontrolled. Otherwise when I tense my tricep like Schusterick says, I seem to pull out in front and "strong arm" and I lose that feeling of loaded power/torque.

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Point 2: Relaxing is so hard. There are days where I feel it in my neck and arm from just trying to keep some things controlled (basically stiff). Any tips on developing cues/reminders?

Point 3: I'm working on my standstill/one-step before moving on. I've been playing with it in order to become familiar with the movement before going back to SW22's can-crush drill. I can feel pain in my right knee from bracing by not allowing the lower body to break with the follow through, so that's a huge focus for me right now. If I concentrate purely on the brace and allowing the break to happen on my heal and then attempt to walk out of the momentum, I throw nose up and feel like I'm losing power. I guess this works into how the torque is generated from the feet up. I'f I do my old way it's limited and hurts my knee (and I top out around 260' with mids/drivers). I'f I try to do it correctly I seem to lose power and control, but with occasional success out to 320'. Ah well, back to watching the videos. If you can relate to anything I mentioned and offer insight I'd be super greatful.

All that aside, CONGRATS!!! The guys here on DGCR have been great (HUB, SW22, Clard, Slowplastic, Dan Ensor has helped, and anyone else putting in time to help and share knowledge/wisdom). I hope to be hitting clean, powerful distance soon too! Love the post.
So your 1st and 3rd points seems to tie together in that they are both related to getting power from the lower body. For me my main focus has been getting really light and springy on the balls of my feet and keeping my strides under control so that i'm not loosing power as i approach my plant. I essentially take 5 steps in my run up but my 1st two are tiny, one with my right and one with my left, and just meant to get me up on the balls of my feet and get my body starting to turn into my x-step (again modeled after McBeth's throw). With the three steps in my x-step i really try to focus on not letting my 1st two strides get too long and focus on the rhythm of it. 1 2 Pow.

For relaxing one thing that has stuck in my mind is something a ball golf instructor said about gripping a club. he said it should be held like you are "holding a baby bird". I started to realize that even when i relaxed my grip in the back swing to the point of feeling much too light i would reflexively tighten my grip as i moved into the hit. I tried to push the limits of being relaxed (an oxymoron i know), figuring the worst that could happen is that the disc falls out of my hand and i look like an idiot but found it was almost impossible to be too relaxed.

Anyway, thank you for the kind words. I hope any of this is helpful and wish you the best of luck on your disc golf journey.
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