11x Firebird

[DeadEye]

I have a yellow with some orange 12x that I acetoned all the stamp off except FIREBIRD off of and is flat as can be, and relatively gummy and definitely not 'stiff'. I started off only having it for really hyzer shots and thumbers, but now that it's been in my bag a while it gets a decent amount of regular throw attention. For reliable hyzers that need to go short of 300 I throw the FB, also if there's a stiff headwind and I need it to finish left I throw it.

[NorthernDisc]

Originally Posted by DeadEye

I have a yellow with some orange 12x that I acetoned all the stamp off except FIREBIRD off of and is flat as can be, and relatively gummy and definitely not 'stiff'.

Same here except red stamp which is now custom dyed.

[DanJon]

firebirds are great. 12x's are still nice as are stars once they beat in. but nothing, imo, beats an 11x fb for FH, windy days, hard left shots, thumbers, tomahawks and FH rollers. awesome utility disc.

[cali]

The new ones MAY be flat but the plastic is not as durable as the 11x blend. New opaque champ beats in SO much quicker than old clear 11x blend.

[NorthernDisc]

No doubt, always wanted one but people ask some ridiculous prices most times. I throw FH whenever possible and love my FB.

[mthill]

Was looking in my JV squad of discs, and realized I had one of these bad boys! Talk about Christmas early!

[Kingery]

Originally Posted by martinyoung

yes because they are oop - thats all - the new glow cfr firebirds are a lot like the old 11x - they are all flat and overstable

This isn't completely true. Newer CFRs with large (and especially large and circular) stamps are generally flat like the 11xs, but not all of them are, sadly. My club ordered a few dozen with a small, off-center stamp, and they were ALL domey. I didn't even take one! Flat-top glows are almost identical in flight characteristics to the 11xs, which are great discs, OOP, and getting harder to find.

My advice is to flick your heart out with the glow flat-tops, and put your 11x in the closet. (And if you don't flick, a glow is the perfect disc to teach you.)

[Kingery]

Originally Posted by cali

The new ones MAY be flat but the plastic is not as durable as the 11x blend. New opaque champ beats in SO much quicker than old clear 11x blend.

Cali's right. Opaque is waaaay more durable all around, in my experience. Glow flat-top FBs are SUPER durable, too.

[strive]

You also ought to try a cut roller with it... They really are very useful discs. I have a CFR Glo that is as stiff as nothing I've ever felt and an 11x that is slightly gummy and (as booted said) VERY durable. The only problem is that the 11x is clear and I'm always scared to lose it.

[PhillyMatt]

Just learning theroller so ill def. Throw it in there. Been using a beat in circle stamp valkryie dx.