"NAGS" Zone (from DGR)

[Connor Jones]

Exactly, on any par 4's/5's, and even longer 3's the lesser arm will/should automatically have a lesser look considering a bigger arm SHOULD have more accuracy with less power having to be applied, amirite?

[optidiscic]

Originally Posted by biscoe

430 foot open holes are among the very worst holes in disc golf. the "reward" for having a big arm should generally be that you are able to throw a more controlled, higher percentage shot than someone who has to max out their distance to reach the same spot. free scoring ops for big arms should be as few as possible although it is very difficult to avoid some here and there.

excellent point and I do agree

actually in retrospect I usually protect my greens and have done so to thwart the temptation to throw as hard as possible at the basket(although I was forced to do so to stop reckless big arms with Katanas etc from killing someone as the course is in a public park) but what has occurred is that those big arms with controlled D are able to score better than the baboons with speed 13 plastic and no skill.

I don't think there is anything wrong with a wide open field hole though.....its a skill just like anything else to lay up at an open basket....Paw Paw has one of these holes I believe

[tripp]

I could see it being NAGS if the basket was placed in the flat and wide open.
Then again it would make for some good birdie runs in doubles.

[biscoe]

Originally Posted by optidiscic

excellent point and I do agree

actually in retrospect I usually protect my greens and have done so to thwart the temptation to throw as hard as possible at the basket(although I was forced to do so to stop reckless big arms with Katanas etc from killing someone as the course is in a public park) but what has occurred is that those big arms with controlled D are able to score better than the baboons with speed 13 plastic and no skill.

I don't think there is anything wrong with a wide open field hole though.....its a skill just like anything else to lay up at an open basket....Paw Paw has one of these holes I believe

#12 on the woodshed is quite possibly the worst hole up there. i assume that is the one you are referring to.

the metric i used to use for designing holes in the open was that if tony ellis could reach them and i couldn't they weren't fair and needed to be shortened or lengthened.

[Cgkdisc]

Yep, hole 12 at Paw Paw is one of a few with the NAGS issue.

[optidiscic]

Originally Posted by biscoe

#12 on the woodshed is quite possibly the worst hole up there. i assume that is the one you are referring to.

the metric i used to use for designing holes in the open was that if tony ellis could reach them and i couldn't they weren't fair and needed to be shortened or lengthened.

lol

so essentially you want no advantage to a big arm? (I am a weak arm myself)

[Cgkdisc]

For Gold level relatively open holes, you drift into the NAGS zone once you get longer than 385 up to 525ish.

[Cgkdisc]

Even the longest driving ball golfers cannot reach almost all par 4s except the rare funky "par 4" they have in the 325-350 yd range where the green is protected with significant hazards.

[denny ritner]

glad to see someone post a reference to the article. i thought it was very insightful and an enjoyable read.

i agree that "430 foot open holes are among the very worst holes in disc golf." i'd even revise it a bit to say that "open holes are among the very worst holes in disc golf." wide open sucks. period.

here's a hypothetical gold example of designing in "NAGS" strategically.

[sillybizz]

Wide open disc golf holes are like a ball golf hole with no rough, sand traps, water, trees, doglegs and an infinite green from which to putt from.