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Old 09-25-2012, 07:10 AM
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Back story: My course just added a back 9.
The first 9 holes had enough room (and enough
trees) that we have 2 different fairways on each
hole with red and blue tees on the wide fairways
and white and gold tees on the narrow fairways.
The new 9 is in a smaller plot of land and was
designed to have 2 tees, red and white.
Next year we are adding 9 more holes on a huge
piece of land with lots of elevation change and
I'm designing that 9 to have blue and gold tees.
So by next year we will have 27 holes with an 18 hole
layout designed for each of the 4 skill levels.

However, as I put in the "short course" I realized
that the red par 3's are short enough to be blue
par 2's and the white par 3 tees are short
enough to be par 2's for gold level players.
By giving each tee on the new 9, 2 different
levels and pars we have a challenging 18 hole
layout for all 4 levels now.

I don't have pics up yet, but check out the link
to the hole info and tell me if you think these
are legit par 2's for blue and gold level players.

http://www.dgcoursereview.com/course...d=4669&mode=hi
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Old 09-25-2012, 07:29 AM
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The red 3's/blue 2's avg length is 166.
The white 3's/gold 2's avg length is 190.
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Old 09-25-2012, 08:15 AM
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Anything under 170 could be a par 2, but over that is kind of pushing it no matter your skill level. We have a par 2 at Cumberland Green that is a straight shot of about 168 feet...and it's still hard to get 2 on. It's up to you, the designer, of course, but I would be wary of par 2's.
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Many Red and White tees around the country would likely be par 2s for Blue or Gold players respectively but that doesn't mean those tee signs should be labeled that way. Likewise, you don't see Red or White pars listed on Gold tee signs where a Gold par 5 might be a Red Par 7.

However, there's a difference between signage for day-to-day play and tournament play. Although it's not popular, if Blue or Gold players must play a set of Red or White tees in a tournament, lower par values could temporarily be listed on printed materials for reference and penalties. But why would the TD have blue or gold players playing those red or white tees unless they are the only tees on the course? Perhaps because they can help produce ratings for lower division players. But then, just leave the Red or White pars as the official pars for those holes to reduce confusion.

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Old 09-25-2012, 08:41 AM
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One of the main reasons I did this was in our league
bag tag rounds we like playing the blue and gold tees
on the front 9, and it became complicated documenting
which holes were played when you switch to red or
white on back 9. Now you can call any of the 4 levels
and play 18 holes.
When the next 9 is finished and we have a true 18 hole
layout for all 4, I may abandon the par 2 labels on the
short course, but for now I like it, although it seems as
if no one else does.
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Old 09-25-2012, 08:53 AM
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Tiki at the blockhouse during doubles is legit par 2. The holes are measured in inches.
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Old 09-25-2012, 09:12 AM
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Many Red and White tees around the country would likely be par 2s for Blue or Gold players respectively but that doesn't mean those tee signs should be labeled that way. Likewise, you don't see Red or White pars listed on Gold tee signs where a Gold par 5 might be a Red Par 7.
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Why not? I wonder...
Many courses that are dismissed as pitch'n'putt could
be more exciting to play if labeled as par 2s for blue and
gold. Players refer to these holes as "duece or die" anyway
which means if you score a 3 you are losing a stroke to
the other players. If you are losing a stroke to those in
your skill level, isn't that one definition of a bogie?
And likewise wouldn't double labeling blue level par 3s as
red par 4s make playing less frustrating for rec players.
Why not let rec players know how they scored compared
to players of similiar skill even when on courses designed
for pros?
Bottom line is your score is what matters not par, but
knowing how you score against those IN YOUR LEVEL is
kinda nice to know.
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Old 09-25-2012, 09:16 AM
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Your rationale is why Super Class was created - give a par 3 (or higher) challenge to White, Blue and Gold players playing Red tees with Super Class discs rather than high tech discs. I just played the short tees at Ottawa Park in Toledo with a Zephyr when visiting family.
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Old 09-25-2012, 09:22 AM
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I think most players would rather play with their mids
and putters and consider it good practice for their
approach game than play with super class discs.
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Old 09-25-2012, 09:26 AM
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That may be. But it doesn't mean low pars should be posted on those tees for higher level players. If anything. it's discouraging for the beginners and Red players to see that the par is "really" 2 for several of their holes.
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