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How important is the location of hole 10?

I am in the very early stages of designing an 18 hole recreational township course and due to the geography of the area I am having trouble getting
hole 9/tee 10 to end up near the parking area.

On a scale of 1-10, how important is it to have hole 10 begin near hole 1 so people can choose to play either 9 if they wish?

Does anyone prefer courses where there is no easy access to the back 9 unless you play the front 9 first?
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On a scale of 1-10, how important is it to have hole 10 begin near hole 1 so people can choose to play either 9 if they wish?
5, for me. It's definitely a bonus, but not anything I can't live without.

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Does anyone prefer courses where there is no easy access to the back 9 unless you play the front 9 first?
I wouldn't say I prefer it, no.
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It's nice to have, but certainly not critical. I definitely would not want the design to suffer in an effort to make that happen. If there are any "pinch points" where a hole on the front nine is near a hole on the back, you can always put a walkway across to skip some of the middle holes to create a shorter loop.

On a 1-10 scale, I'd put it as a 1 for me. I almost always play the full course anyway.
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It's usually not going to make or break a course but the longer the course the more important or helpful it becomes.
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2.

Perhaps a "3" to have the course come back by the parking lot, anywhere from about holes 5-13. It's a nice bonus. Nothing special about it being right at the 9/10 transition, "front 9" and "back 9", except on multi-course facilities where you can mix-and-match loops.

Go for the best 18 holes, and let the bonus convenience fall where it may.
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I'd say 2 as well. Especially if it's a rec course, like you said.

Even when the course does loop back after nine, I almost never stop unless it's directly on the way to the next tee.
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There are two parts to this. First, having a hole between 6-10 loop back close to the lot is a bonus where importance might be 3. More important would be to have a routing where players could play 9 holes by playing holes 1-4, then 14-18 or 1-5 then 15-18 on courses where holes 8-11 must be far from the parking lot due to the shape of the property. The Steady Ed course at the IDGC is a good example where holes 7-14 are far from the start. However, holes 2 & 4 loop back toward the start. And you can play holes 1-5 then 15-18 for the rollercoaster 9-hole loop including the hilliest holes on the course.
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The course I helped design has tee 11 close to the the parking area instead of hole 10. It is nice to have 2 9 hole loops but in not a deal breaker by any means.
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I'm a big fan of 9 hole loops that end back at the parking lot, but that doesn't work on every piece of land. If you can't make it work you can't make it work.
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The 9-hole loop is a concept carried over from ball golf where it can take 2 hours and more to play 9 holes. We can play a full 18 in less than 2 hours on the typical city courses. Once you are talking about an 8000+ ft course, the rationale for looping 9s or a hole from 6-10 near the parking lot makes a bit more sense, or the optional 9-hole routing as mentioned on Steady Ed.
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