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Old 11-30-2014, 09:46 AM
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do you remember the course by the last hole you played?

At the course we are building at Evergreen College, the current temporary layout has one of the coolest holes as #8.
One of the worst holes as #9
This is just a matter of convenience right now.
but how much does this affect the way people will remember the course?
We have approval for 18, so I can knock out #10 and shift everything one hole, or add a new #1 and shift them.
I just don't like ending on the way #9 is currently.
Do you care? Should the last hole be one of the best ones?
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Old 11-30-2014, 09:58 AM
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I don't think it affects how I remember or judge the course.

But I feel that---if possible---the finishing hole should be one on which a 2 or even 3 stroke lead can be lost. It's a bit anticlimactic if the final hole or two are predictable.
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Old 11-30-2014, 10:18 AM
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While I agree with David's belief that a final hole should be challenging enough that a couple stroke lead isn't safe, it only comes into play when you start at hole 1, and isn't the same type of factor in tourneys with a shotgun start (which is most of them).

I wouldn't say I remember the course based on the final hole. I remember the overall feel of a course, the variety, and specific memorable holes. I remember holes that stand out as unique or different for some reason - water, shape, elevation, certain unique characteristics, basket placement or other treatments. The final hole may or may not be all that memorable, and how memorable it is might differ from player to player.

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Old 11-30-2014, 01:43 PM
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Very true, although it comes into play outside tournaments, in friendly matches against friends, and when you're trying to beat your average, or even your best, score.

Some courses are conducive to starting casual rounds elsewhere than hole 1; for others, it is almost inevitable that all non-tournament rounds will begin on the first hole. So I guess the answer is more nuanced, depending on the overall layout of the course.

It's not of great importance. I don't think you'd compromise the rest of the design to create great starting or finishing holes. But if you can, a starting hole where you can air it out, perhaps easily throw multiple warmups, and a finishing hole with a good scoring spread, are nice to have.
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Old 11-30-2014, 02:23 PM
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I'm for putting the best holes where the terrain allows them to be. If this means you have to make #18 sort of meh just to get back to the start of the course so #17 or some other previous hole can be epic, so be it. Bryant Lake Park up in the Twin Cities is a good example of this.

On my home course, there are nine holes either side of the parking lot, with the front nine being about 500' longer, with two water risk holes, more trees, and ending with the 500+' monster on #9. The back nine isn't as well appointed. Sometimes, I wish the powers that be had reversed the order so #9 could be #18. I think they went the way they did because current Tee #1 and Basket #18 are closer to the parking lot.

Of course, I can always play it that way.

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Old 11-30-2014, 04:22 PM
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I more often remember hole 1 of course. It's nice if you can finish with the best hole or a great hole, but not entirely necessary.
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Old 11-30-2014, 04:42 PM
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I remember the course by the whole course, not just the first or last hole.
Having said that, I love for the first and or last hole to be epic.
On the first hole you want to say to yourself, "Wow, this is going to be fun!" Examples would include Reedy Creek, Castle Hayne. I like it when the first hole reflects the entire course.

On the last hole, I want it to be tough but not flukey/lucky. I HATE boring last holes. It just leaves you with an empty feeling.
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Old 11-30-2014, 05:16 PM
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Thanks for the input, this course will not be a tournament type course for some time.
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Old 11-30-2014, 06:30 PM
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here is a pic of hole #8 from the Tee

you shoot out of the trees, onto the grassy hill
(if you are a noodle arm like me)

then back off of the hill, down into the edge of the woods again
(on the left from the Tee)

if you have a cannon, and have practiced the shot a few times, you can do this from the Tee

also a pic of the map of the course, which doesnt help you guys much, but it does giv you a better feel for #8

hole #9 is just down a service road, its a very quick sharp anny or FH
(which doesnt show up on the map correctly)
and most guys havent been able to make the corner because they are trying to get to the green.
its a tough shot


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Old 11-30-2014, 07:02 PM
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Well, looking at the map, you don't have much choice. Live with the weaker finishing hole---or see if it can be tweaked to make it as good as possible.
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