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Old 04-09-2012, 08:35 PM
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The other day I was playing with someone in a tournament who lost their disc in some bushes on a downhill wooded hole and never found it. He tried to argue that the rules say you throw from where you last saw it go OB or where you think it might be at. Got pretty mad when I told him to go throw another shot and the rest of the card would continue to look for it until he was finished re-teeing. So basically this is what he thinks is in the rule book below...

"PDGA RULE #ID10T

If you throw a terrible shot and lose it in the bushes, you may throw from the beginning of the bushes where it flew out of bounds or drop your mini in the area where you think your disc is hiding for a 1 stroke penalty."
Last year (the 2011 NorCal Series) I made a kind-of-similar error.

I threw an errant shot that hyzered out, skipped past the OB line. However when we arrived we couldn't find the disc. Fast forward 3 minutes, the disc is considered lost.

I thought that since the group came to a consensus that it was in fact going to be OB no matter what, we could agree on a lie at the last place it crossed OB and play my third shot from there.

Basically...if it's lost, you're re-teeing (or throwing from the approximate last mark) even if you know it went OB.

Not that it helped me, I did terribly in the tournament...but now I know!
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Old 04-09-2012, 08:46 PM
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I can also feel my foot fault when I cross the front of the tee.
Me too. That's when I slip off the end of the pad and throw a 50' skyzer that lands 100' out and 125' left
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Old 04-09-2012, 09:06 PM
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This isn't a fake rule but one time we heard one new player explaining to another new player how to throw a disc.

The one doing the listening looked at us and asked something about the grip, his buddy answers, "Dude, when these guys throw, the disc is out of their hand before their arm comes forward".



We all tried to show them how that worked, of course no one could because the disc would drop out of our hands before our arms came forward.
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Old 04-09-2012, 09:13 PM
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Once when I was new to tourneys I made a guy take the little white sticker off the rim of the disc he just bought before the round because of the "you can't add noticeable thickness" rule. Turns out that is a little silly and I really felt bad after.
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Old 04-09-2012, 09:26 PM
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Sounds legit for a casual round . Maybe make it 5 seconds though. We always play if you throw in the water and are willing to play it where it lies, you can .
My old friend Ted Smethers in Arkansas liked to use that that rule when he ran events at the original Burns Park (nice name) in Little Rock. He called it the "Soak it or Stroke it" rule!
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Old 04-09-2012, 09:30 PM
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Last year (the 2011 NorCal Series) I made a kind-of-similar error.

I threw an errant shot that hyzered out, skipped past the OB line. However when we arrived we couldn't find the disc. Fast forward 3 minutes, the disc is considered lost.

I thought that since the group came to a consensus that it was in fact going to be OB no matter what, we could agree on a lie at the last place it crossed OB and play my third shot from there.

Basically...if it's lost, you're re-teeing (or throwing from the approximate last mark) even if you know it went OB.

Not that it helped me, I did terribly in the tournament...but now I know!
From the official (i.e., binding) Q and A:

QA14: Lost or OB?

Q: My throw was headed toward an OB lake when it went out of sight, and we never found it. Do I play it as lost, or as OB?

A: If your group agrees that there is compelling evidence that the disc went into the OB lake, then you assume that that is what happened, and play it as OB. If there is uncertainty about whether it went in the lake, then you play it as lost.

Applicable Rules: 803.09.A Out-of-Bounds
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Old 04-09-2012, 09:34 PM
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Once when I was new to tourneys I made a guy take the little white sticker off the rim of the disc he just bought before the round because of the "you can't add noticeable thickness" rule. Turns out that is a little silly and I really felt bad after.
Actually, IIRC, lots of Innova discs are shipped that way, so technically, it came from the factory that way, and does not have to be removed. If it was a price sticker from the place you bought it, it would have to be removed.

Even though I believe you were incorrect, the level that you were willing to go to defend the rules makes me believe that you are Disc Golf Rules Zealot (DGRZ) material.

To all: remember, the rules cannot defend themselves, so it is up to us to do so. Do not feel bad, or that you are "that guy" when you are just trying to maintain a level playing field for all players. By that, I mean, if one group lets some things slide, and other groups do not, then that group has put itself in an unfair competitive advantage.
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Old 04-09-2012, 09:39 PM
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From the official (i.e., binding) Q and A:

QA14: Lost or OB?

Q: My throw was headed toward an OB lake when it went out of sight, and we never found it. Do I play it as lost, or as OB?

A: If your group agrees that there is compelling evidence that the disc went into the OB lake, then you assume that that is what happened, and play it as OB. If there is uncertainty about whether it went in the lake, then you play it as lost.

Applicable Rules: 803.09.A Out-of-Bounds
An OB lake is different than OB bushes or forest. There is so little chance that a disc could end up IB after there was compelling evidence that the disc went into the lake. A disc going into OB bushes/forest has a much greater chance of taking a funny richochet and ending up IB, so it would be considered lost instead of OB.
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Old 04-09-2012, 09:43 PM
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I was walking up to mark my lie and I stepped on a stick and my disc shot up about a foot in the air and rolled a few feet. I just put my mini where I thought my disc had been and gave myself a penalty stroke.

I found out after I should have just marked my spot and not taken the stroke.
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Old 04-09-2012, 09:56 PM
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Even though I believe you were incorrect, the level that you were willing to go to defend the rules makes me believe that you are Disc Golf Rules Zealot (DGRZ) material.
Probably. I enjoy the rules and discussions about them. Is that where your screenname comes from?

One I thought of just yesterday:

You throw a really errant tee shot. Most likely lost so you take a provisional just in case and throw it in the middle of the fairway. Eventually you find the tee shot but decide it's so bad you have to take unplayable.

Unfortunately you have to walk all the way back and re-tee since the provisional was only in case you lost your disc.

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803.01 General
C. Provisional Throws. Provisional throws are extra throws that are not added to a player's score if they are not ultimately used in completion of the hole. The use of provisional throws is encouraged in all situations where there is a question regarding a thrower's lie and a provisional would speed play or when the thrower questions the group's or official's ruling. The unused throws shall not be added to the thrower's score nor treated as practice throws if the player announces that such additional throws are made as provisional throws prior to taking them. A provisional throw may not be subsequently declared to be an optional rethrow.
This is the kind of stuff that amuses me.
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