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#91
04-28-2012, 07:12 AM
 Deaf Leopard Bogey Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 84
If someone asks what par is, just tell them the rec par. These numbers are there to make people feel better about their 4's and 5's.

If a course is difficult it is just harder to score well on. You have to make more birdies on the easy holes to par.
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 Originally Posted by Spookyspence why don't we just do away with the entire +/- scoring system and just say we shot 50 or 60 etc since no one seems to be able to do simple math or use a piece of paper.
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#92
04-28-2012, 08:54 AM
 bmxpunk01 Par Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Years Playing: 2.2 Courses Played: 18 Throwing Style: RHBH Posts: 144
Scoring short-hand - best definition ever.

Using this short-hand scoring system:
Lums Pond (Par 54) - player says they shot +3 = round of 57
Iron Hill (golds, par 72) - same player says they shot +22 = round of 76

Both rounds equal slightly over "par" for the course, and total score still comes correctly.

They're not playing "every hole as a par 3" - they're just totaling up their score this way as an easy way to calculate the total number of strokes easily. If they shot a 3 on hole 17 @ IH, I'm pretty sure they would be way stoked
#93
04-28-2012, 09:31 AM
 Cgkdisc Hall of Fame Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Twin Cities Years Playing: 24.2 Courses Played: 540 Throwing Style: RHBH Posts: 6,242
The problem with the CRP analysis used by jeverett and MTL is that statistically par in disc golf is the average number of throws to the green for gold level players plus 1.4 not 2 as popularly thrown around. Putts plus shots around the green in DG is 0.6 shots easier than in BG.

Discussion moved to thread in the Courses section.
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#94
04-28-2012, 09:53 AM
 denny ritner Eagle Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: deep in the heart . . Years Playing: 15.1 Courses Played: 157 Posts: 655
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 Originally Posted by Cgkdisc The problem with the CRP analysis used by jeverett and MTL is that statistically par in disc golf is the average number of throws to the green for gold level players plus 1.4 not 2 as popularly thrown around. Putts plus shots around the green in DG is 0.6 shots easier than in BG. Discussion moved to thread in the Courses section.
that depends upon how you define "green".
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#95
04-28-2012, 09:54 AM
 Cgkdisc Hall of Fame Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Twin Cities Years Playing: 24.2 Courses Played: 540 Throwing Style: RHBH Posts: 6,242
Nope. See other discussion.
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#96
04-28-2012, 09:55 AM
 _MTL_ Double Eagle Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Raleigh, NC Years Playing: 20 Courses Played: 94 Posts: 1,010
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 Originally Posted by Cgkdisc The problem with the CRP analysis used by jeverett and MTL is that statistically par in disc golf is the average number of throws to the green for gold level players plus 1.4 not 2 as popularly thrown around. Putts plus shots around the green in DG is 0.6 shots easier than in BG. Discussion moved to thread in the Courses section.
I've never stated that par is throws to the green plus 2 in this discussion.

I'm just simply stating that these three holes weren't even producing putts. How can you say it's average number of throws to the green plus 1.4 but no one is getting putts for 2, yet it's a par 3?
#97
04-28-2012, 03:24 PM
 aajpity Eagle Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Crystal, MN Years Playing: 2.1 Courses Played: 19 Throwing Style: RHBH Posts: 876
Id say just keep track of what you got then enter it on this website!!
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#98
04-28-2012, 03:43 PM
 Cgkdisc Hall of Fame Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Twin Cities Years Playing: 24.2 Courses Played: 540 Throwing Style: RHBH Posts: 6,242
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 MTL - I'm just simply stating that these three holes weren't even producing putts. How can you say it's average number of throws to the green plus 1.4 but no one is getting putts for 2, yet it's a par 3?
You're trapped in the definition of par as requiring the ability to score a "reasonable" percentage of birdies. But that isn't the definition. Being able to birdie a hole was never in the ball golf definition of par nor is it in the disc golf definition. It's even more likely in DG there will be holes where "par" has the highest percentage of scores with most of the remaining scores being higher than "par" as in the three examples you provided from Highbridge.
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#99
04-28-2012, 06:54 PM
 scarpfish *Ace Member* Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Brownbackistan Years Playing: 9.9 Courses Played: 276 Posts: 4,794
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 Originally Posted by Spookyspence I can see why all par 3 is popular okay, its easy! But when someone gives me a +/- score for a course they played its not accurate if they use this type of scoring.
I can assure you that 90+% of the time someone gives you a +/- score, its based on an all par 3 formula. They added it that way, for their dissemination, not yours. If its that big on an issue, ask them what their +/- score is in actual strokes.

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 Originally Posted by Spookyspence If everyone said the total number of strokes they had OR just kept track of their score like they are suppose to they could give me a accurate score.
There is no such thing as "kept track of their score like they are suppose to" during a casual round. There is in fact, no mandate to keep score at all. I've never kept score of my rounds for anybody else's benefit. If they don't like the way that I do it, tough cookies.

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 Originally Posted by Spookyspence I just don't see what the problem with keeping track of your score like you are suppose to is..
Because unless its a tournament, where we're mandated by rule to keep score, its too time consuming for the purpose. When I play solo, I like to keep a brisk pace. I don't have time to write down a score every hole, when I can keep track of an entire round in my head by treating 3's as zeroes and non-3's accordingly. Even when I'm having a "league" round with some local guys I play often with, we use the +/- method, as we've never carried a scorecard with us, and only recently have one of us starting using a mobile scorecard app, which I think was only started out of love of gadgetry as opposed to need.

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 Originally Posted by Spookyspence I could only imagine if people that play ball golf played every course as all par 3.
I doubt that it would be practical in ball golf because most casual ball golfers don't regularly par, or even get single bogeys with anywhere near the frequency that recreational disc golfers do. A standard Par 70-73 ball golf course also offers three different pars on their holes, with maybe just over half of them being Par-4s, whereas the overwhelming majority of disc golf holes really are true Par-3's.
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#100
04-28-2012, 07:32 PM
 Spookyspence Par Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Dallas Courses Played: 15 Posts: 203
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 Originally Posted by scarpfish I can assure you that 90+% of the time someone gives you a +/- score, its based on an all par 3 formula. They added it that way, for their dissemination, not yours. If its that big on an issue, ask them what their +/- score is in actual strokes. There is no such thing as "kept track of their score like they are suppose to" during a casual round. There is in fact, no mandate to keep score at all. I've never kept score of my rounds for anybody else's benefit. If they don't like the way that I do it, tough cookies. Because unless its a tournament, where we're mandated by rule to keep score, its too time consuming for the purpose. When I play solo, I like to keep a brisk pace. I don't have time to write down a score every hole, when I can keep track of an entire round in my head by treating 3's as zeroes and non-3's accordingly. Even when I'm having a "league" round with some local guys I play often with, we use the +/- method, as we've never carried a scorecard with us, and only recently have one of us starting using a mobile scorecard app, which I think was only started out of love of gadgetry as opposed to need. I doubt that it would be practical in ball golf because most casual ball golfers don't regularly par, or even get single bogeys with anywhere near the frequency that recreational disc golfers do. A standard Par 70-73 ball golf course also offers three different pars on their holes, with maybe just over half of them being Par-4s, whereas the overwhelming majority of disc golf holes really are true Par-3's.

I hear you, and I understand........but its just not that clear cut here. But I have excepted its something I will have to put up with lol.

Last edited by Spookyspence; 04-28-2012 at 07:36 PM.

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