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Old 05-10-2012, 12:23 AM
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I spoke with Dave at Gateway tonight to get ready to place another G9 order. He mentioned to me he was trying to tweak the plastic blend to make these a bit more durable. I've been throwing mine for a solid month now and I don't see any rapid wear, but I do understand that some people have had big chunks of the disc taken out by unfortunate hits on concrete. Dave says this is because the discs are so firm that when they come in contact with another really hard surface they just chunk up. He's not happy with that because he wants the G9s to be sort of a step up from the sure grip (base) plastic Wizards.

He threw out some ideas on the phone tonight and gave the pros and cons of them. I want to try and repeat what he told me and get feedback from the users here. Key word is try because Dave knows a lot more about the materials and disc tech than I do so often times he mentions things that I don't understand.

One of the solutions he had was to throw in more of another chemical that would make the discs a little softer. The plus side is that this will prevent the chunking when hitting hard surfaces like concrete and will provide additional grip, but at the same time the discs will as a result also be a little softer. I know one of the big points of the G9s was how firm they were.

Another idea he threw out was to try and blend in a little of the Evo plastic into these to give them some of the durability of the Evo Wizards. The downside to that is that Evo plastic tends to cool with a bid of dome to it, which is why the Evo Wizards are a bit domey. He likes that the G9s are flat and wants to preserve that, so he'll just try to do it and see how they come out. If they do end up coming out with a bit more dome, is that a deal breaker for you guys in exchange for more durability?

Last but not least he considered adding some glow to the mix. Not for durability but just for the sake of them being glow. He said he has two different glow compounds - one that is really bright but doesn't last long, and another one that is a bit dimmer but lasts longer. He plans on mixing both of them into the G9s.

So again, let's hear your feedback about what you want from a future rendition of the G9. Keep it the same? Try to get more grip? Try to make them more durable? What is important to you guys, and what changes would make it a deal breaker? Dave's open to suggestions if you have any.
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Old 05-10-2012, 12:33 AM
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id love them to be just a touch softer and grippier. i havent noticed mine to be too damage prone yet but ive mostly used them for putting.
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Old 05-10-2012, 12:42 AM
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I think a mix with Evo plastic would be delicious. I don't think a slight dome would make all that much of a difference. I would be more than willing to purchase a few of the testers though
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Old 05-10-2012, 12:50 AM
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i know this sounds stupid but usually when the discs are black they turn out just a little bit softer and with more grip.

maybe a black glow G9 would make all the stars align...i'll take 20 if they turn out!

research the photo UV color change too. that might make them softer.

i'm a push putter so i like driving putters that i can also putt with. i hate throwing black discs but if the feel is right i would love a set of perfect putters. i sold a few wizards and still have over 50.
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Old 05-10-2012, 12:53 AM
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I agree, a lot of the black Gateway putters that I've felt come out feeling really awesome in the hand. The last batch he made were a bit slick, though. I've never seen them come out like that. I felt some up and was immediately like
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Old 05-10-2012, 09:59 AM
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What about a little bit of organic plastic? I have an organic wizard that's super flat and stable. Durability seems decent.
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Old 05-10-2012, 10:07 AM
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Glow evo G9 ...

infact if he ran the clear evo plastic with both of the glow compounds ... that would be awesomesauce. I'd take a couple super gummy one's AND some stiffies.




so-to-speak.
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Old 05-10-2012, 10:48 AM
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I'm a big Evo fan so some of that plastic mixed in would be great. I mostly play wood courses so extra durability is always a plus. A little more dome would be fine with me as it would only help on distance off the box....Especially since firm Wizards are great for driving. Glow, yup, that would be sick too!

I do like the feel of black Wizards but they get to soft during the summer months and feel that this hurts my game. Maybe it's mental but I always ditch my black putters in the summer. I'd be cool with some that were any other color other than white as I play in the snow October-April here in Montana.

Durability would be my number one request.
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Old 05-10-2012, 10:50 AM
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What about a little bit of organic plastic? I have an organic wizard that's super flat and stable. Durability seems decent.
Organic plastic varies from run to run as it's left over plastic from previous runs and is really inconsistent. Some are soft, some are firm, some smell like maple syrup.
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Old 05-10-2012, 10:51 AM
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I would say that if the intent is to make a driving putter, durability would be the number one priority. Who wants a driver that turns understable in a few hits?
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