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Old 03-21-2017, 11:11 AM
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Im confused. I am looking to play MM1at worlds next year. Can i get the points i need from playing another division like advanced or intermediate. Also how many points does mm1 need?
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Old 03-21-2017, 11:44 AM
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Old 03-21-2017, 12:01 PM
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Im confused. I am looking to play MM1at worlds next year. Can i get the points i need from playing another division like advanced or intermediate. Also how many points does mm1 need?
Pretty simple:

If you are masters age and registered as an amateur then that is your "home" division. Accordingly all points earned this year in sanctioned events in ANY amateur division count toward MM1 Worlds for 2018. The only exception would be if you are 49 during the year this year. Then all points would count toward MG1 Worlds in 2018.
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Im confused. I am looking to play MM1at worlds next year. Can i get the points i need from playing another division like advanced or intermediate. Also how many points does mm1 need?
Any amateur division receives points and all points are applied towards your annual total.

At that point, you birth year kicks in.

If you are born in 1979 or after, you are only eligible for MA1. For this, you need 1,500 Points to qualify.

If you are born in 1978 or before, you are eligible for MA1 and MM1. For MM1 you only need 750, but if you choose to play MA1, you still need 1,500.

If you are born in 1968 or before, you are eligible for MG1, MM1 and MA1. For MG1, you need 500 points.

Someone who qualifies for age protected divisions can potentially qualify for multiple divisions and then they are able to choose.

Example: Someone born in 1972 would qualify for both MM1 and MA1 with 1600 points and could choose divisions, however would only qualify for MM1 if they had 1000 points. Someone born in 1984 old would only qualify for MA1 with 1600 points and would not qualify for worlds with 1000.

Hope this helps.

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It's important to understand, for age protected divisions, its based on birth year compared to 2018, not age at the time of event, qualifying year, etc.
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Any amateur division receives points and all points are applied towards your annual total.

At that point, you birth year kicks in.

If you are born in 1979 or after, you are only eligible for MA1. For this, you need 1,500 Points to qualify.

If you are born in 1978 or before, you are eligible for MA1 and MM1. For MM1 you only need 750, but if you choose to play MA1, you still need 1,500.

If you are born in 1968 or before, you are eligible for MG1, MM1 and MA1. For MG1, you need 500 points.

Someone who qualifies for age protected divisions can potentially qualify for multiple divisions and then they are able to choose.

Example: Someone born in 1972 would qualify for both MM1 and MA1 with 1600 points and could choose divisions, however would only qualify for MM1 if they had 1000 points. Someone born in 1984 old would only qualify for MA1 with 1600 points and would not qualify for worlds with 1000.

Hope this helps.
I think this is a little misleading. My understanding is the same as araytx. You have a home division based either on age protection, if eligible, or rating. If you are Grandmaster age and meet the point threshold, your invitation is to your home division. While I agree you can have the needed points and play outside of your home division, but as quickly as Worlds has filled in the last few years, this does not seem possible from a logistics angle. If you decide to play Masters as a Grandmasters, given you have the points to cover the difference, Masters is likely
to be sold out, by the time you are allow to sign up outside your initial invitation.

I could be all wet here, but I was pretty sure that is how it worked.
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Yes, I apologize for misleading.

Here's a better way of explaining how to qualify for multiple divisions from the document provided.

A 2017 member who is male and age 54 had earned 350 points playing MG1, 765 points playing MM1, and 1,000 points playing MA1.
A Since he is a Grandmaster-aged player he receives a Primary Invite for MG1 because ALL of his Amateur points (2,115)
equaled at least the 500 point requirement for an MG1 Primary Invite (even though he had less than 500 playing in MG1.)
B He also receives an Additional Invite for the MM1 division because he had 765 points actually playing in the MM1 division
which met the requirement of 750 points.
C He does NOT receive an Additional Invite for the MA1 division as he only had 1,000 points playing in the MA1 division
and the requirement was 1,500 points.

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IAlso how many points does mm1 need?
Whatever is currently stated (500 I think) plan on doubling it to be safe. Given the proven track record of the PDGA moving the target halfway to 3/4 of the way into the qualifying year better to be safe than sorry. Unfortunately the PDGA lacks any sort of leadership and logical thinking when it comes to AM points.

In theory the point total needed to qualify should be crystal clear going into the 2017 season for the 2018 Worlds so everyone can set their tournament plans ahead of time. Better to be safe and account for their idiotic changing of points if you really want to play 2018 Worlds.

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Yes, I apologize for misleading.

Here's a better way of explaining how to qualify for multiple divisions from the document provided.

A 2017 member who is male and age 54 had earned 350 points playing MG1, 765 points playing MM1, and 1,000 points playing MA1.
A Since he is a Grandmaster-aged player he receives a Primary Invite for MG1 because ALL of his Amateur points (2,115)
equaled at least the 500 point requirement for an MG1 Primary Invite (even though he had less than 500 playing in MG1.)
B He also receives an Additional Invite for the MM1 division because he had 765 points actually playing in the MM1 division
which met the requirement of 750 points.
C He does NOT receive an Additional Invite for the MA1 division as he only had 1,000 points playing in the MA1 division
and the requirement was 1,500 points.
No need to apologize, I am sure not intention was meant.

I am still confused. I was under the impression that only one invite went out for your home division, at first. The opportunity to sign up for other divisions you might qualify for, came at a date later than the initial sign up. So, if I have the points and rating to play MA3 and MG1, I thought I only got an age protected invite. I could be incorrect.
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No need to apologize, I am sure not intention was meant.

I am still confused. I was under the impression that only one invite went out for your home division, at first. The opportunity to sign up for other divisions you might qualify for, came at a date later than the initial sign up. So, if I have the points and rating to play MA3 and MG1, I thought I only got an age protected invite. I could be incorrect.
This is correct.

However, please note that MA3 or MA2 isn't offered at worlds - but I see your point.

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