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Old 10-15-2012, 10:58 AM
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I think it'd do what you're asking. As an OLF thrower my preference is to flip up from shallow hyzer for a straight line, rather than trying to throw flat. I've thrown 171-175g Volts so far, and I'd be looking to bag a 168g (currently listed as the lightest available) for my workhorse. With my LFs, mid-to-high 160s is what I can put some ass on to make it turn a little OR throw smooth for a stable-to-overstable glidey line, and then 172-175 takes a little headwind OR an ungraceful monkey-arming to get a "little turn from shallow hyzer" flight like the main 167ish one. The Volt acted the same... I could see it turn just a little bit with headwind or a real huck.

Right now I'd wanna bag a worn 168g for QJ stuff, fresh-ish 168g for QJ/straight-OLF, and a 172+ for stable-to-overstable OLF.
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Old 10-15-2012, 11:00 AM
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Yep these were fun to throw. Definitely a control driver.

I enjoyed throwing it on sidearm, as I have pretty low power on flicks, so the turn and glide I got from it were just right. I'm not sure how it would handle somebody with 350' flick power though?

Throwing backhand I was able to shape some nice lines and it had a reliable fade out unless I popped it pretty hard anhyzer, in which case it pretty much held the line. I have 300-330' power on controlled backhands. I did not get any hyzer-flip action, but I saw Zach hyzer-flipping them FARRRR with a nice s-curve shot.

ZJ you are so damn lucky that one throw didn't go under the mower deck, that was almost like tragedy/comedy all at once. (He threw an anny that literally landed 1' in front of a moving riding mower out in the driving range and the guy stopped at the LAST possible second)

Anyway, these aren't gonna replace my OLF's or PD's but they are pretty cool nonetheless. The rim is so strange (the black rubber part goes like halfway into the wing). Anybody wanting a driver for an all-MVP bag should be pretty dang happy.

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Old 10-15-2012, 11:33 AM
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How far do you throw? And what type of disc is your slightly-beefy slightly-workable driver in fairway and distance range?

For me, the Volt flies exactly like you described the desirable flight, and I throw low-mid 300s with a heavy 1.1 QOLF as my beefy-worker fairway/distance disc. Neither the Volt or a heavy QOLF will flip for me on a clean throw into a moderate headwind.

The "normal" people who threw it yesterday at Disc Nation were getting flights you'd want from a "reliable control fairway driver". The guys who were getting turn from it (which comes very late btw) can throw Rocs 400'+ and *OLFs around 500'+ on a flat measured field. Also the wind quotient on the driving range is greater than you'd find on most courses, so they were testing with above-average wind.

I throw Nukes and Katanas 400ft on a hyzer or 420ft or so on a turnover S shot. My Z nukes need to be thrown at about 4oclock or thrown high in order to be able to come back out of their turn. I'm assuming that the Volt is going to turn on me as well.
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Old 10-15-2012, 11:52 AM
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I throw Nukes and Katanas 400ft on a hyzer or 420ft or so on a turnover S shot. My Z nukes need to be thrown at about 4oclock or thrown high in order to be able to come back out of their turn. I'm assuming that the Volt is going to turn on me as well.
From what you describe and what I've observed from people FHing Nukes on the driving range, short answer is YES you'd get a good amount of turn from the Volt.

I say that in short form because honestly, a 4-o'clock hyzer on a Nuke FH sounds OAT-suspicious, which is a legitimate way to get FH distance on speed-10+ or overstable drivers since they're naturally OAT-resistant. When I FH or BH the Volt with OAT, it wobbles into a turnover before settling into its spin and carrying toward its fade. The high-power BH guys were getting a clean turnover, average-power guys were getting a brief turnover with OAT, and everyone thought the FH was surprisingly good but we didn't have any true power-FH throwers on hand.

Eagle-X / Eagle-L was the dominant comparison for FH lines... it's in a class far removed from Speed 13 stuff.
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Old 10-15-2012, 12:27 PM
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I was gonna say Eagle-X myself. Not quite as stable probably.
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Old 10-15-2012, 12:38 PM
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From what you describe and what I've observed from people FHing Nukes on the driving range, short answer is YES you'd get a good amount of turn from the Volt.

I say that in short form because honestly, a 4-o'clock hyzer on a Nuke FH sounds OAT-suspicious, which is a legitimate way to get FH distance on speed-10+ or overstable drivers since they're naturally OAT-resistant. When I FH or BH the Volt with OAT, it wobbles into a turnover before settling into its spin and carrying toward its fade. The high-power BH guys were getting a clean turnover, average-power guys were getting a brief turnover with OAT, and everyone thought the FH was surprisingly good but we didn't have any true power-FH throwers on hand.

Eagle-X / Eagle-L was the dominant comparison for FH lines... it's in a class far removed from Speed 13 stuff.
It's not OAT it's just more spin than a backhander would have at the same distance, it's hard to compare my forehand to other people's forehands becuase the majority of forehanders use too much arm and not enough wrist snap. If it were OAT I wouldn't be able to flick an axis 350' on a flat release without any floppiness discernable by the human eye.

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Old 10-15-2012, 12:46 PM
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It's not OAT it's just more spin than a backhander would have at the same distance. If it were OAT I wouldn't be able to flick an axis 350' on a flat release.
How does a worn Champ Eagle-X fly for you? That's gonna be your best indicator.
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Old 10-15-2012, 12:57 PM
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How does a worn Champ Eagle-X fly for you? That's gonna be your best indicator.
I have a 9/10 champ eagle and it goes wayyy farther than I wanted it to. If I release it flat it will fly flat for 350ft without gaining any height and then the lss finally kicks in pretty hard at the very end. I tend to use my firebird for controlled FWD shots more than my eagle because the firebird starts to fade much sooner. If the Volt has a little bit more turn than the eagle I guess it could still be useful for certain shots but I prefer to throw hyzers for accuracy whenever I can. I hope their next disc is a more HSS FWD. A perfect fairway driver for me would be one that has enough HSS not to turnover on full power throws with a fade of like 2.

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Old 10-15-2012, 01:18 PM
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Actually no. The rim is where the weight difference comes from.
Can anyone verify this?
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Old 10-15-2012, 01:23 PM
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So, after watching mike's video. Is the volt closer to a long qj or a beaten in 1.1 qolf? I didn't really see an eagles worth of fade.
So after a couple rounds, what do you think? Most of the testers have had QJs bagged at one time or another. How is it compared to a QJ? Does it have more forward fade where the QJ doesn't fade?
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