Can you hyzer-flip a buzzz?

[Pwingles]

Im sure he can do it, but none of those throws in that video are what i would consider a hyzer flip

[Stud Muffin]

Originally Posted by Pwingles

Im sure he can do it, but none of those throws in that video are what i would consider a hyzer flip

I consider a disc that starts out in a hyzer position, and goes over past stable a hyzer flip. The second and third throws are easily seen starting with a hyzer, and both flip over moving to the right.

[Dan Ensor]

I wouldn't consider any angle that I saw any of those discs flying hyzer or anhyzer. All were very flat in the grand scheme of things.

[garublador]

He looks like he's throwing at least a 15 degree hyzer for those shots. They're definitely hyzer flips.

[Pwingles]

Originally Posted by Stud Muffin

I consider a disc that starts out in a hyzer position, and goes over past stable a hyzer flip. The second and third throws are easily seen starting with a hyzer, and both flip over moving to the right.

I agree, but the angle hes holding it before the throw and the angle at the hit are different, it is subtle and very close i just consider anything less than 2-8 o clock release flat or essentially flat

[jongoff09]

That's about how I throw beat Z Buzzzes on hyzer flips.

[Pwingles]

Most hyzer flips to me are going straight sooner without as much movement tothe right first(rhbh) and also leave the hand at more of an extreme angle, maybe im wrong. If thats the case i guess everythrow that has 5 deg of hyzer or more is a hyzer flip. So i hyzer flip about everything.

[mattdabbs]

Originally Posted by garublador

He looks like he's throwing at least a 15 degree hyzer for those shots. They're definitely hyzer flips.

I disagree...I wouldn't consider that a hyzer flip. They basically came out of a tiny, tiny hyzer angle and moved a tiny bit to the right. That wouldn't be a typical hyzer flip anyway. Maybe this can be the new "what is par"...how much hyzer and how much turn do you need to be considered a hyzer flip? I think more than what we saw in any of those throws.

So I watched it again and I would say the 3rd throw comes close. His explanation is everything as well...he does say he threw hyzer and they turned up a bit. Definitely not a solid hyzer flip but close enough that we would all disagree about it.

[Pwingles]

*tries to find a way to blame this argument on Stud Muffins faith to get this thread landfilled..*

[garublador]

Originally Posted by Pwingles

If thats the case i guess everythrow that has 5 deg of hyzer or more is a hyzer flip. So i hyzer flip about everything.

That's probably true and it's what most people do. A hyzer flip is a throw that starts on a hyzer and flips up. The last throw might not have made it all the way up to flat but the rest were thrown on a hyzer and flipped to flat. They're text book hyzer flips.