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when the rothsteins and kennedys of the world were playing in usdgc they were at least in name competing with the climos and feldbergs- this is completely different.
This.
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Old 09-27-2012, 03:15 PM
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It never ceases to amaze me that USDGC can do things that other tournaments can't year after year.
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Old 09-27-2012, 04:01 PM
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I was playing an unsanctioned event about a year or two ago and the TD also shuffled ALL the players on cards for the first of three rounds. Nikko ended up on my card and he shot 2 off course record.
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Old 09-27-2012, 04:07 PM
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Disc golf is competing against the course and not directly against others other than comparing scores at the end. If playing with others not at your skill level or experience bothers you, it's simply a problem with your mental game and not the format. There's enough about the format at the USDGC to mess your mental game and this just adds to it if you let it.
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I was playing an unsanctioned event about a year or two ago and the TD also shuffled ALL the players on cards for the first of three rounds. Nikko ended up on my card and he shot 2 off course record.

I highlighted the difference.
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Old 09-27-2012, 04:09 PM
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Sanctioned and unsanctioned, you're still playing against the course.
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Old 09-27-2012, 04:10 PM
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I know the difference, that's why I included it I was just pointing out that not all pros play worse if they're on a card with am players.
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Old 09-27-2012, 04:36 PM
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Disc golf is somewhat unique in that it mixes a whole bunch of small tournaments into one big one on the same course at the same time. In most sports, you don't have that kind of intermingling on the same venue. The US Open or the Masters, for example, are one-division affairs...the amateurs and seniors that play are competing directly with Tiger and Phil and Rory and Bubba. There is no Senior division or Amateur division or Women's division (and if there is, it's a wholly separate event usually at a different venue altogether).

The argument against mixing divisions is that each division is essentially a tournament unto itself. What happens in Am Masters has zero impact on the results of Pro Masters or Advanced Women or anyone else. When I go to a tournament, whether it's unsanctioned or the USDGC, I expect to be grouped with my peers...my direct competition (though with unsanctioned rounds, I'm a lot more tolerant of it).

It's not a matter of playing better or worse depending on who's grouped with who, it's more a matter of integrity of competition. My experience has been that mixed groups lead to missed calls and non-calls more often than in homogeneous groupings. And if not missed and non-calls, there's often an inequity in what is called. As sad as the reality is, players seem less likely to pay attention to violations if the violating player isn't their direct competition.

Now if the USDGC is hell-bent on mixing everyone up, they should run it as a true handicap event. Everyone is in one flight but eligible to win on either side of the ledger (they only get to take home a trophy/prize for one side, however). This way, everyone is in direct competition with everyone else, and the "mixing" becomes simply random groupings. They used to do this already. The "Performance" was just an optional side-bet thing per round (or a fantasy pool for spectators) instead of a full fledged competition.
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one division one winner? Isnt that the slogan?
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one division one winner? Isnt that the slogan?
It was. Probably before you started playing.

edit- before things start flying, that was a joke :P

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