End of Jump Putting as we know it

[Jay Dub]

^^ lol

[the_pwnerator]

OK..here's where I'm at. You can't pass your lie. At all.

To those saying you absolutely need to follow through, look at bowling. There's the fault line that they still manage not to pass, even with a run up. If youre too worried about messing up your joints that way then just stand and deliver, that's what I do.

[Jay Dub]

How about allowing jump putts, along with putt jumps, as long as when you land you are behind your marker and within the required 13cm or whatever it is? This way you can release the disc while in the air but you will never be able to go past your marker.

[DonCasper]

Originally Posted by General Scales

How dare you unleash Louis CK on me! How DARE you!

I suppose we could add in a meter of relief, similar to the club length relief they get in bolf.

[General Scales]

Originally Posted by the_pwnerator

OK..here's where I'm at. You can't pass your lie. At all.

To those saying you absolutely need to follow through, look at bowling. There's the fault line that they still manage not to pass, even with a run up. If youre too worried about messing up your joints that way then just stand and deliver, that's what I do.

Bowlers also slide to that foul line. They transfer their energy through that slide. Something disc golfers cannot do. Plus what disc golfer wants to be this guy?

[blur]

Originally Posted by General Scales

^^ prob gets more chicks then most disc golfers..

[esdubya]

Originally Posted by Cgkdisc View Post
The PDGA Rules Committee (RC) is trying to find a better way to handle the problem of calling jump putts legal or not. They have no agenda to either keep or get rid of jump putts, just solving the problem. It IS a problem based on high frame rate video where members of the RC tried to do jump and (Feldberg) walk thru putts legally. 'Yes' there are experienced jump putting pros in the RC. About 50% of the attempts were not legal where the disc was not released until the player was clearly off the ground much to the chagrin of some members who thought they were doing it legally.

So this discussion is relevant from the standpoint that ideas that might resolve the issue or handle it better might emerge. But so far, the RC feels the best candidate to improve the situation balancing the tradeoffs may be to increase the putting circle distance. But they're not willing to pull the trigger on that idea yet in the hope some other brainstorm may be better.

So the primary issue here is not a legal follow through, but the illegal "jump-then-putt" where high speed cameras have found RC members throwing illegal shots when they were messing about in a field? This is the primary issue that is concerning the PDGA RC??

I'm sorry, but changing the circle to 50m or 100m or something bigger has to be the dumbest most brute-force non-elegant solution possible. Main issue will be widespread player confusion and complaining, many people choosing not to follow new rule (myself included). Those that do will now have to walk off a much longer shot, further slowing down play (and how accurate is the 'walk-off' anyways?). This is fixing a drip leak and creating a huge hole in the other side. NOT smart. For the sake of our sport I really hope the RC can see that. This is not a problem, go fix something else!

[Cgkdisc]

Here are parts of posts from a PDGA thread on this topic that gels some of the ideas posted here. Neil Webber summarized in rules lingo my proposal to allow throws including a one step follow thru from behind the lie:

B. When the disc is released, a player must:
1. Make contact with a stance zone defined by a 30x30cm square (or variant, or existing lie) directly behind the marker disc with;
a) at least one supporting point that is in contact with the playing surface or,
b) the next subsequent supporting point contact with the playing surface; and,
2. Have no supporting point contact with the marker disc or any object (including the playing surface) closer to the hole than the rear edge of the marker disc; and,
3. Have all supporting points in-bounds.
C. Supporting point contact closer to the hole than the rear edge of the marker disc after the disc has been released is not permitted and is considered a stance violation. The player must demonstrate full control of balance before advancing toward the hole.

My response for additional discussion and clarification:
Yes. In thinking further about this whole issue, ball golf has the advantage that everyone can see that the ball is played where it lies all the way from the start of a player's process until the ball is struck. In disc golf we don't play it where it lies. We must place a supporting point where the throw lands at the time of release which can occur at any point between the start and end of our complete throwing process depending whether we run up, just stand and/or follow-thru (when outside 10m).

Because we've chosen to have the critical moment for observing a legal stance mostly in the middle of the throwing process, we've made it more difficult to both execute and observe a legal stance for many throws due to the speed of the actions. Two alternative options would be to make the legal stance call at the beginning of a throw or end of a throw. Of course, making the call at the beginning would be foolish since the player could then proceed past the lie before throwing, doing improper actions after the stance call was good.

Making the legal stance call at the end of all throwing motions makes more sense because both the player and the group can see if it was done legally. We already do this now with putting inside the 10m circle. Of course, it's necessary to continue requiring the player to release the throw while supporting points are behind the mark which can easily be observed.

So rather than moving the putting circle outward and maintaining the more restricted putting motions where there's no follow-thru and a supporting point has to be on the ground at release, let's move the circle way back by eliminating it completely and at the same time free up the type of throws allowed as long as they're made behind the mark. Seems like that provides freedom to legally make more types of throws from near and behind their lie and makes sure the player executes them so their final motion is connected to their official lie so player and group can confirm it.

[denny ritner]

Originally Posted by Cgkdisc

C. Supporting point contact closer to the hole than the rear edge of the marker disc after the disc has been released is not permitted and is considered a stance violation.

sure would speed up the pace of play. after the second shot of the round, the player is stymied - GAME OVER.

[Cgkdisc]

Similar (but admittedly clumsier) wording as putts currently. Basically must demonstrate balance before advancing, and of course, that allows time for the player and group to see if the player's supporting point end up on the stance area.