Disc Golf Store
  #11  
Old 10-08-2012, 09:29 AM
cooter's Avatar
cooter cooter is offline
Birdie Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Ohio
Posts: 409
Hate to tell you ZJ. Tacoma is right. I thought his post was quite insightful as well. They are the same exact disc.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 10-08-2012, 09:42 AM
tbird888's Avatar
tbird888 tbird888 is offline
Don Rickles #1 Fan
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Cincinnati
Years Playing: 9.4
Courses Played: 87
Throwing Style: LHFH
Posts: 9,197
Anybody here thinking ZJ is completely off-base remember the different flight characteristics of a PD in different plastics? Innova could slap a different stamp on a P-Line, and it wouldn't be that difficult to buy as a different disc next to an S or C-Line.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 10-08-2012, 09:51 AM
zj1002 zj1002 is offline
Double Eagle Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Driving Range
Years Playing: 6.6
Courses Played: 28
Throwing Style: RHBH
Posts: 1,765
Discs can look the same. Millennium uses different blends of plastic. That we all know

The Astra over multiple runs in Q is less stable than the Archon. How? I can't tell you. But I don't pick up a disc and judge it on the fact it looks like another disc. The OP clearly understands they look the same. He wouldn't have made a thread asking for a difference

Astra compared to Archon across all plastics has less low speed fade, meaning it finishes forward better. The archon can handle more power and has less glide. There are differences in the flight of both discs.

I get the chance to test every disc that comes through DN. my goal is to help folks differentiate between similar models so that they can find the disc they want. Coming into to a thread, where everyone knew the discs looked alike and telling them "you are wrong", does nothing to further the discussion. It only limits the OPs desire to throw either disc
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 10-08-2012, 10:05 AM
cooter's Avatar
cooter cooter is offline
Birdie Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Ohio
Posts: 409
Quote:
Originally Posted by tbird888 View Post
Anybody here thinking ZJ is completely off-base remember the different flight characteristics of a PD in different plastics? Innova could slap a different stamp on a P-Line, and it wouldn't be that difficult to buy as a different disc next to an S or C-Line.
That's just every disc made and that's a whole new argument and can of worms. Now your talking plastics, PLH, ect., ect. I guarantee I can find an Astra and Archon that fly the same. I can also find 2 Archons in the same weight, same plastic that fly completely different. Its the same disc. You need to hunt for a good one like we all do for every disc.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 10-08-2012, 10:55 AM
BADman's Avatar
BADman BADman is offline
Eagle Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Bay Area
Years Playing: 4
Courses Played: 13
Throwing Style: RHBH
Posts: 754
i thought it was common knowledge that discs with sparkles fly better.

in all seriousness, this thread is motivating me to try an astra.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 10-08-2012, 12:24 PM
inbounds's Avatar
inbounds inbounds is offline
DGCR Vendor
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: inflightguide.net
Posts: 511
Food for thought: If the discs are the same, then why are the PDGA specs different?

Archon - Astra
175.13g - 175.13g Max Weight
21.1cm - 21.1cm Diameter
1.7cm - 1.5cm Height
1.2cm - 1.2cm Rim Depth
16.6cm - 16.7cm Inside Dia
2.3cm - 2.2cm Rim Thickness
5.7% - 5.7% Rim Depth/Dia
28.25 - 28.25 Rim Config
11.45kg - 8.28kg Flexibility


Just playing devil's advocate here. They're close, that's for sure...but they're not the same.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 10-08-2012, 12:42 PM
money 21 money 21 is offline
Birdie Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Years Playing: 11.5
Courses Played: 1
Throwing Style: RHBH
Posts: 400
in my original post i was looking for the difference i know they are different disc. they have the same top that is obvious not positive they have the same bottome is there a spacer in there?

Other Mill mold are this innova top and a different innova bottom to make a new disc. IE Whippet top stingray bottom make MS or something like that.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 10-08-2012, 12:47 PM
MOchains MOchains is offline
Par Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Years Playing: 9.2
Courses Played: 74
Posts: 107
Quote:
Originally Posted by inbounds View Post
Food for thought: If the discs are the same, then why are the PDGA specs different?

Archon - Astra
175.13g - 175.13g Max Weight
21.1cm - 21.1cm Diameter
1.7cm - 1.5cm Height
1.2cm - 1.2cm Rim Depth
16.6cm - 16.7cm Inside Dia
2.3cm - 2.2cm Rim Thickness
5.7% - 5.7% Rim Depth/Dia
28.25 - 28.25 Rim Config
11.45kg - 8.28kg Flexibility


Just playing devil's advocate here. They're close, that's for sure...but they're not the same.

Could this be because of the cooling of different plastics? I would guess the flexibility and height would be different because of this but not sure about the others. Is it possible that shrinkage occurs during the cooling process? We all know discs vary from run to run and plastics effect stability. I am thinking this is the case. I am pretty sure these are the same mold but the measurements vary slightly due to cooling in the plastics.
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 10-08-2012, 01:16 PM
tbird888's Avatar
tbird888 tbird888 is offline
Don Rickles #1 Fan
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Cincinnati
Years Playing: 9.4
Courses Played: 87
Throwing Style: LHFH
Posts: 9,197
Quote:
Originally Posted by MOchains View Post
Could this be because of the cooling of different plastics? I would guess the flexibility and height would be different because of this but not sure about the others. Is it possible that shrinkage occurs during the cooling process? We all know discs vary from run to run and plastics effect stability. I am thinking this is the case. I am pretty sure these are the same mold but the measurements vary slightly due to cooling in the plastics.
Reply With Quote
 

  #20  
Old 10-08-2012, 02:23 PM
ManU's Avatar
ManU ManU is offline
* Ace Member *
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Calgary Canada
Years Playing: 6.1
Courses Played: 29
Throwing Style: RHBH
Posts: 3,043
cooling doesn't make for different tech specs

cooling makes for differences between runs of the same disc

given that Millennium usually involves some tweak to an existing Innova mold often with the use of a nose spacer or the like in this case it almost seems as if it is the removal of a nose spacer

hence the lower height, bigger diameter and smaller wing

all of which could make for different flights between the similar looking discs (the differences are so small we would be hard pressed to differentiate without the tech specs)
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:25 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.