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Old 12-06-2012, 11:47 AM
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Renting & leasing land for temporary disc golf courses

I have a private course on family land with 22 baskets. I would like to see more public courses and have used my baskets in demo's at a few local parks to promote the sport. So far I have been fortunate enough to get 2 public courses in the ground at local parks that didn't have disc golf in their area. I have plans to install courses at other parks in my area, but as most planners, designers, installers, and fellow players know, it can be a very slow process to accomplish.

I'd like to know if anyone has had success or failures in setting up temporary courses on rented or leased land. In temporary, I mean only a day or two. It can be publicly or privately owned land, using the natural terrain and landscape that is already in place to avoid trailblazing that might be needed for permanent courses.

For example, there are many empty parks throughout my area. Some are larger than others. Some are state owned land. Some are county, city, or township owned. Some are privately owned. Some are maintained, while others might not be. These parks have a lot of unused land that is NOT designated for wildlife, wetlands, or necessarily "protected and off limits". It could showcase disc golf at the park level and who knows, could lead to a permanant course at that park in the future.

Another example is large parcels of unused privately owned land. Some of these areas are "rented/leased" to hunters for a fee. Some are rented out to farmers for their crops and have large sections of adjacent wooded areas which can't be farmed. Others are pretty much large unused lots (20+ acres) that are becoming overgrown and such.

Anyone ever do a temporary course thing like this? Of course it would need the landowners permission, a fee (hopefully under $250 bucks) for renting the land, and some kind of insurance (hopefully under $200 bucks)to do this. I already have the baskets and trucks/trailer to transport them. Maybe spend up to $50 for gas there and back. $500 spread out between as many people as I can get to check it out doesn't seem too steep. It would at first have to be advertised by word-of-mouth/flyers at a few courses and clubs. It would have to be on a non-tourney Sat or Sun to get more people to come out. Also, it would most likely not be a tournament. Just a chance to play a round at a "new" (but temporary) course.

Just throwing it out there to see if anyone has done this or played temporary courses set-up like this. It would probably be easier to do this at a park, but there is great potential for courses almost anywhere out here in the sticks.

~What would be your thoughts on this?
~Would you play a temp course like this?
~Why or why not is this a good idea?

Any input or Pro's and Con's are encouraged.

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Old 12-06-2012, 12:38 PM
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A few random thoughts.

There is an annual temporary course for a tournament at Hampton Park in Charleston, SC. It's a park that would never allow a permanent course, but allows for a terrific temporary course once a year. Innova trucks in baskets and the local club runs it, and it's hugely popular.

Someone around here (Sadjo I think) had been working on leasing some National Forest Land (I think) for a weekend camping/non-sanctioned play event. He had worked out the details but I don't know where it stands.

There used to be a tournament in Athens, GA, on private land where they set up baskets for one weekend. I never played but it had a great reputation.

This would seem most promising in public parks. Private land seems less likely to be in suitable condition for a tournament. Moreover, a parks department might try it as a demonstration, but few private land owners would be interested in a permanent course, thus no reason for a demonstration.

It's been done on golf courses too, though you're talking a lot more money.

If you're not doing a tournament but just a casual weekend demonstration, you wouldn't need a full 18 holes.
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Old 12-06-2012, 12:49 PM
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I've always wondered if something like this would work if you had the course up for say 2-3 weeks instead of 2-3 days, and charged for admission. Think of how many farmers there are who are making money off of corn mazes.
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Old 12-06-2012, 12:57 PM
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There used to be a tournament in Athens, GA, on private land where they set up baskets for one weekend. I never played but it had a great reputation.
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Old 12-06-2012, 01:21 PM
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Thanks David,

I'd really like to go the route of renting park-space over renting private land. We could kill two birds with one stone if it is at a park with potential for a permanant course. Even if there would be no chance for a permanant course, a temporary course could open the doors for something else in their park system.

The private land temp courses would be more of a fun thing to do for local players who want to change it up a little. Kind of like my private course which is on and around farmland. I'll probably have any easier time talking to our local farmer friends into letting me bring the baskets. It would probably be a tough sell to most private landowners unless they really wanted the money. I can see them saying "What the heck is disc golf?" right before they grab their shotgun and say "Get the F-off my property, hippie!"


Here in MI we have a lot of land owned by the DNR. I think they're usually classified as; State Gaming Areas, State Recreation Areas, State Parks, and State Conservation Areas. I think disc golf could be allowed in the first three and probably not allowed in the State Conservation Areas. I know that there is hunting and disc golf (Hollywoods DGC) allowed in the same areas in the Holly State Rec Area, south of Flint.

I'm not sure how it goes in terms of disc golf and the DNR though. But I do know that there is state land all over the place and that hunting season is usually only Sept-April (depending on the game). I think I also read that you are not allowed to leave anything overnite on state land. I'm pretty sure your not allowed to disrupt any foilage/trees/land either. I'll have to do some research and see if I can find a contact from the DNR.
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Old 12-06-2012, 01:25 PM
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I've always wondered if something like this would work if you had the course up for say 2-3 weeks instead of 2-3 days, and charged for admission. Think of how many farmers there are who are making money off of corn mazes.
LOL, we built a corn maze back in 1997. Charged $2 per person but didn't make too much to keep doing it. The corn maze craze didn't come about for another ten years later but kids be wrecking it anyways and we never did it again.

My friends and I sure did have fun running through it at night though
That and protecting the pumpkins from kids stealing/smashing them. Nothing like popping up from behind some hay bales and blasting those punks with paintballs while they were trying to steal them

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I have been wondering about the same thing in my area, but with a twist. I know that if private land is opened up for public use then you don't have to pay property tax on it (at least in Bartlett TN). There is a plot of 20 acres near my house that is for sale and has been for over 5 years. The plot is hilly and wooded. I have often daydreamed about approaching the owner with the proposal to install a temporary course. He/she would get a tax break and we would get to use the land until it sold.
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Old 12-06-2012, 01:36 PM
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I have set up temp courses at Oconee State Park in Oconee County, SC twice. Both were for the local Rotary Club's annual family fun day. The courses each year were 9 holes and designed for kids and families to play in 30 minutes...so they were really short.

I set up temp course at my kids' school each spring for a fund raiser. Same concept...short course that can be played in a short amount of time.

What DavidSauls mentioned...I have been working with some property that is owned by the National Forest Service. It is a 700 acre former tree nursery that is no longer in operation. They have two nice cabins, a event center, large picnic shelter and camping sites. I had been targeting the first weekend in May for my event. The NT Event in Augusta got moved from the last weekend in April to the first weekend in May and I decided to not run my event up against a NT less than 2 hours away.

I own 15 baskets, mostly travelers with some sports and one M14 and one Bullseye. So I wouldn't have top of the line baskets for all holes but I would have them for most. Innova has also offered to allow us use of 18 pro targets.
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I have been wondering about the same thing in my area, but with a twist. I know that if private land is opened up for public use then you don't have to pay property tax on it (at least in Bartlett TN). There is a plot of 20 acres near my house that is for sale and has been for over 5 years. The plot is hilly and wooded. I have often daydreamed about approaching the owner with the proposal to install a temporary course. He/she would get a tax break and we would get to use the land until it sold.
There's this rest stop off the highway near my house that has some sweet elevation changes on it that could be a sweet 9 hole temp course. Could probably curtail any kind of "stuff" from going on at those places.
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Hey Sadjo, couple quick questions for ya

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I have set up temp courses at Oconee State Park in Oconee County, SC twice. Both were for the local Rotary Club's annual family fun day. The courses each year were 9 holes and designed for kids and families to play in 30 minutes...so they were really short.
Being a State Park, how was their reception of putting up the temporary course? Were they hesitant at first or open to recreational ideas like disc golf? Were you limited in the amount of land/holes used? Was including the local Rotary's "Family Fun Day" the thing that sealed the deal?

There is a Rotary Club near my course on Metropark land that rents out a portion of the park for weddings and special events. There is already future plans for a dg course within the same Metropark, but two miles down on the other side of the park. Should I check into this for a possible temp course even though they are going to build one in a couple years?



I set up temp course at my kids' school each spring for a fund raiser. Same concept...short course that can be played in a short amount of time.
My friend lives 1/4 mile behind the school my kids go to and she has her own dg course (an awesome one too) that my kids have played. Were there any limitations by setting it up on school property? I've researched and mapped out many schools in my area and a few have enough land for some real nice 9-hole courses within school property. There is also a middle school a half hour from me with a 9-hole permanant course but no one is allowed to play there during school hours and sports teams take up parts of the course at any given time.


What DavidSauls mentioned...I have been working with some property that is owned by the National Forest Service. It is a 700 acre former tree nursery that is no longer in operation. They have two nice cabins, a event center, large picnic shelter and camping sites. I had been targeting the first weekend in May for my event. The NT Event in Augusta got moved from the last weekend in April to the first weekend in May and I decided to not run my event up against a NT less than 2 hours away.
Are you still having your event but on a different date? How did you contact them and what (if any) issues did they have with having a temp dg course there? Where there strict rules as in where you could have the course?


I own 15 baskets, mostly travelers with some sports and one M14 and one Bullseye. So I wouldn't have top of the line baskets for all holes but I would have them for most. Innova has also offered to allow us use of 18 pro targets.
I'm in Discraft (1 hr away) and MVP (30 min away) land. How did you get Innova to offer you the use of their Pro targets? Are you close to their SC headquarters? Did you have to order a certain amount of discs and/or promote their product?

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