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Old 12-13-2012, 06:55 PM
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This is awful. Sorry to hear about it. Glad things are more relaxed around here.
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Old 12-13-2012, 06:55 PM
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Yeah, sounds ridiculous. Sounds like you did the hard part of the course building, let them install the baskets. Then whatever else they don't know want hurt them. They can't stop people from premeditated gathering and playing disc golf at a public park.
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Old 12-13-2012, 09:20 PM
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One of the caveats that was mentioned was that we may have to somehow make the course ADA accessible. This course has more up and downs than Hawk Hollow. we are running into the same issue we did in Gloucester VA. that wheel chair accessible could be brought up if someone raised a stink. However, we quickly, believe we came up with an alternative for it.

This would also be an issue with any private course that would want a business license. Been there done that.
Hawk Hollow is fine... just starting the annual winter break for the cattle to have calves.

back on topic... i think the easiest way around the ADA thing is to have a small loop of the course actually be accessible- 3 holes should be sufficient to satisfy the requirements.
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Old 12-13-2012, 09:45 PM
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it seems like a curveball but we ran into the same thing in MT. Gotta have that insurance. That is why you get insurance for PDGA sanctioned events. GOod luck!
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Old 12-13-2012, 10:48 PM
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Insurance, MOU's, ADA requirements.... welcome to the new world of parks & recreation! This is the way it already is in many places (inlcuding here) and sure to be coming to a park near you soon. Due to years of relentless budget cuting in systems across the US, you will only see more of these types of requirements. The insurance is a good idea (about $400+ per year), it will cover your leagues, tourneys, demos, course work, pretty much everything. And without it, your club officers are potentially placing their incomes and assests (homes, cars, bank accounts) on the line should the club get sued. The MOU is actually a good idea too, It will spell out who does what, when. It can avoid a lot of problems and misunderstandings down the road. You don't own the land the course sits on. The taxpayers do. And trust me, you want them to continue to pay for it. Not you. ADA, well, as of March, 2012 the clock ran out on the free ride as far as the Feds are concerned. Pretty much any kind of public business (or even a private one that is open to the public) now has to deal with its' requirements.

This is why as the sport matures, you will see an increase in the amount of "free" rec type courses in public parks, and more challenging "pro" courses will become, more and more, pay-to-play.
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Old 12-13-2012, 11:56 PM
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ADA should apply to disc golf the way it applies to golf. It's important that facilities like bathrooms and pro shops be fully accessible, and you might need to make a loop of accessible holes but when making the full course and the attendant hazards accessible would conflict with the fundamental nature of the game it's not required.
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Old 12-14-2012, 12:58 AM
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Old 12-14-2012, 03:58 PM
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The loop thing here would be tough because it is a very rugged area. ANYONE not wearing good shoes here is crazy. Not trying to overplay the park as being to rough for any course but the hills and ravines and rock would make it nearly impossible. The solution is for us to put a 9 basket course at a nice well groomed park in town. Make it simple and accessible. The city has already suggested a venue. But wants to hold off unless someone presses the issue and partly because they would foot the entire bill. Not just the land.

There is no water or sewer available within 1 1/2 miles so we don't have to deal with that yet and that is the cities job.

Thanks for your support!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey MacDaddy I may pick your brain some if you do not mind.
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Old 12-14-2012, 04:51 PM
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Some suggestions: Ask the parks dept for copies of other MOUs, also ask the mountain bikers, then you can review existing approved MOUs and it will be easier to clone your own version knowing what an approved MOU looks like and contains. Also ask the mountain bikers about what insurance carrier they are using and how much it costs, etc. To fund the insurance premiums, set up a nice donation box at the first tee, if you know a local welder/metalworker, they can bang out a nice box you can sink into the ground with cement, etc. We recently added a port-a-potty to Ryan Ranch, and it costs $ 100/mo to get serviced, but our new donation box easily covers it, try looking up Ryan Ranch Disc Golf Course on facebook, there is probably pictures of the donation box being installed. If the local disc golf club has to take out the insurance policy, make sure you are incorporated, that will create a "corporate veil" that makes the corporation liable, not the officers and directors. If you know a local attorney, it is worth having a chat about such topics.
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Old 01-05-2013, 02:39 PM
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I suppose an update is in order...

If the assurances we received are to be believed (it is the local government after-all) we will have this done now maybe, possibly, almost certain by the middle of February.

The Parks Land Committee has now gotten into the middle and the we have been informed that the city lawyers will have to go over the MOU.

Garret and Al of the Park department have assured us, and apologized for the delays, that it is all well and it will get done if no one pisses off the pope and no one gets a wild hair up his/her hind quarters. We just have to get through the process.

The good news is that the delays made the wait on the baskets, which arrived on the 3rd of January, easier to deal with. We had one special made and we put it together and put it up to make sure it worked (we took it back down when done)and were the first to throw on it and what a joy. This course is special and has nothing like it in the Northwest nor in the other areas I have played in.

Just pray for us as we work through the paperwork.
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