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Old 01-22-2013, 01:23 PM
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I think the excuse of drugs holding the sport back is partly correct and incorrect. Does it give off a certain stereotype to a lot of people who don't really know what the sport is? Yes. Though I think that has more to do with the stereotype of the Frizbee itself and not so much disc golf. I think disc golf just got lumped in to the hippy/frizbee culture because we're throwing discs. How can you say people that don't even really know what disc golf is also know it's just a bunch of stoners? I think it's just association with the culture that popularized the Frizbee itself.

Secondly the idea that if people associate athletes in a sport with drug use means that sport can't be big is a false assumption. Baseball players in its heyday were all on amphetamines and that didn't stop the sport from becoming our national past time; even today it's plagued with allegations of steroid use and that's not stopping it from being the second most popular sport in America. Everyone associates NBA players with drug use and it's no secret that a lot of those players smoke, that's not hurting their image.

So I think to just say well it's players faults for giving off that image and that's why disc golf isn't getting big is kind of a cop out. Is it helping no, but is it the smoking gun of why disc golf can't grow? I don't think so. Again I'm not saying it should be condoned or that it's not having any negative effects. I'm saying I wish people would stop using that as the only reason disc golf isn't growing faster, there's a lot of factors.

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Old 01-22-2013, 01:28 PM
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So dgers should find a way to create a cleaner image so budwieser will sponser events? Someone had to say it. I agree and disagree. I have recently been playing with the pros at events and I don't see drugs with any of those guys. Its all in the intermediate /advance divisions were its guys that work hard all week(are not trying to make a profession) and want to enjoy there weekend. All I see is pot for the most part and pro athletes in almost every sport do that occasionnally(more then you think). I like that the pdga is not like the nfl or pga. I maybe a hippie I guess
i think we need those steps to get BIG sponsors to sponsor events, i think players will be sponsorsed before the events which helps individuals more than the sport.
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Old 01-22-2013, 01:30 PM
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What do you think is the best disc that is understable and has a lot of glide
valkyrie is a pretty good one, slow but still had the record till blizzard came out.
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Old 01-22-2013, 01:30 PM
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i know it's and issue and i've been a huge supporter or drug testing. I've never touched the stuff including cigs and other smoke related products, I have always cared about my body why poison my lungs or help for a temporary "good" feeling. i know a lot of the younger players feel the same way (Will S. and Ricky W) off the top of my head. You can see how those 2 and myself are pushing the Clean imagne to the best of our ability not to mention we are currently 1-2-3 in the world. I think if we want to be taken seriously the top players should be drug tested. If we want to make it our profession we should lead by example and not just push this "hippie" imagne anymore. I honestly wouldn't allow drugs on my card i won't shy away from informing a TD, Cigs bug me enough i always give Feldberg a hard time everytime he pulls one out. I'm with you 100% on this issue.
I think it's fine you guys promote a clean image, however, how many players would you have left for events if testing was introduced? There's a big difference from image, and invasive testing. I agree that the image could be improved, the no-smoking at NTs I actually like. The image problems mostly stem from the rec players that everybody sees at their local pitch and putt course, and a lack of exposure from the top players and courses to the general public. Nobody outside the disc golf world knows who Paul McBeth is, or even Ken Climo.

You may want to check into the PGA's testing which is basically just for show/image. As Andre Agassi said, "Image is everything". http://www.golf.com/tour-and-news/pl...rogram-working I've heard that as much as 50% of the PGA tour use non-PEDs, and that is why their test results are undisclosed to the public.

I don't think testing is the issue with getting sponsors, obviously Budweiser was a big sponsor, as was Wham-o. I think the issue is the whole concept of, we are just throwing frisbees thing, that big sponsors don't really care for as well as a marketing numbers game that they will not get a good enough return on their investment. Disc golfers are about as cheap a market as you can get, thats why most of us got into disc golf. Also testing will increase the cost of playing, and being a PDGA member. As if most people didn't already think the PDGA membership was high enough.

Disc golf will have to prove first that there is a market for major sponsors. Like good nationally televised ratings must be shown before any expensive house cleaning can be feasibly done. Testing is more for the top players than anyone else, and finding ways around those tests. The controversy and speculation attract more interest from non-athletes than anything else. The MLB benefited from the home run race that was littered with PEDs. Who would know anything about cycling without Lance Armstrong? There's also the Tiger Woods speculation about PEDs? Who really cares about PEDs in disc golf anyways? I don't think there is a rampant PED issue in the PDGA, and cracking down on non-peds is a big joke, like the war on drugs. ESPN headlines read "PDGA cracks down on pot while the rest of the world relaxes pot laws". "PDGA says no to throwing frisbees on PEDs."
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Old 01-22-2013, 01:31 PM
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valkyrie is a pretty good one, slow but still had the record till blizzard came out.
Thx, I might have to pick up one, what plastic would you recommend
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Old 01-22-2013, 01:33 PM
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I think the excuse of drugs holding the sport back is partly correct and incorrect. Does it give off a certain stereotype to a lot of people who don't really know what the sport is? Yes. Though I think that has more to do with the stereotype of the Frizbee itself and not so much disc golf. I think disc golf just got lumped in to the hippy/frizbee culture because we're throwing discs. How can you say people that don't even really know what disc golf is also know it's just a bunch of stoners? I think it's just association with the culture that popularized the Frizbee itself.

Secondly the idea that if people associate athletes in a sport with drug use means that sport can't be big is a false assumption. Baseball players in its heyday were all on amphetamines and that didn't stop the sport from becoming our national past time; even today it's plagued with allegations of steroid use and that's not stopping it from being the second most popular sport in America. Everyone associates NBA players with drug use and it's no secret that a lot of those players smoke, that's not hurting their image.

So I think to just say well it's players faults for giving off that image and that's why disc golf isn't getting big is kind of a cop out. Is it helping no, but is it the smoking gun of why disc golf can't grow? I don't think so. Again I'm not saying it should be condoned or that it's not having any negative effects. I'm saying I wish people would stop using that as the only reason disc golf isn't growing faster, there's a lot of factors.
i would never say it THE reason, but there are many reasons but that is just one to help move the sport forward. the reason i think that one is the one that gets brought up the most is because it is disc golfs main stereotype. if we can move away from that the other problems shouldn't be a problem to move past.
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Old 01-22-2013, 01:45 PM
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I think it's fine you guys promote a clean image, however, how many players would you have left for events if testing was introduced? There's a big difference from image, and invasive testing. I agree that the image could be improved, the no-smoking at NTs I actually like. The image problems mostly stem from the rec players that everybody sees at their local pitch and putt course, and a lack of exposure from the top players and courses to the general public. Nobody outside the disc golf world knows who Paul McBeth is, or even Ken Climo.

You may want to check into the PGA's testing which is basically just for show/image. As Andre Agassi said, "Image is everything". http://www.golf.com/tour-and-news/pl...rogram-working I've heard that as much as 50% of the PGA tour use non-PEDs, and that is why their test results are undisclosed to the public.

I don't think testing is the issue with getting sponsors, obviously Budweiser was a big sponsor, as was Wham-o. I think the issue is the whole concept of, we are just throwing frisbees thing, that big sponsors don't really care for as well as a marketing numbers game that they will not get a good enough return on their investment. Disc golfers are about as cheap a market as you can get, thats why most of us got into disc golf. Also testing will increase the cost of playing, and being a PDGA member. As if most people didn't already think the PDGA membership was high enough.

Disc golf will have to prove first that there is a market for major sponsors. Like good nationally televised ratings must be shown before any expensive house cleaning can be feasibly done. Testing is more for the top players than anyone else, and finding ways around those tests. The controversy and speculation attract more interest from non-athletes than anything else. The MLB benefited from the home run race that was littered with PEDs. Who would know anything about cycling without Lance Armstrong? There's also the Tiger Woods speculation about PEDs? Who really cares about PEDs in disc golf anyways? I don't think there is a rampant PED issue in the PDGA, and cracking down on non-peds is a big joke, like the war on drugs. ESPN headlines read "PDGA cracks down on pot while the rest of the world relaxes pot laws". "PDGA says no to throwing frisbees on PEDs."
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if pros really wanted to play professionally i'm sure most will quit smoking for the chance to live their dream job.

sorry for the short answer
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Old 01-22-2013, 01:46 PM
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Thx, I might have to pick up one, what plastic would you recommend
whatever you perfer mostly they all fly similar the but i would suggest chamiom or star
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Old 01-22-2013, 01:53 PM
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Old 01-22-2013, 01:53 PM
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Bolf have about 15,700 courses in USA, 25.7 million players and 463 million rounds played (2011 figures, peak year was 2000 with 518 million rounds). Disc golf have like about 4,000 courses, how many players? and how many rounds played? We definitely need to keep building new courses so we have more players, "Build it and they will come..." kind of thing. Focus on grassroots kind of thing to the point where market will be attractive enough for sponsors. We need growing fan base that loves to follow top players.

It is true that PGA Tour have like $5 or so million in purse basically almost every weekend due to big sponsors as they have huge fan base. We need to get execs of big companies to play disc golf rather than bolf so they can start to sponsor us more. "Let's make business deals at disc golf!"
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