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Old 12-24-2012, 01:20 AM
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The term I was taught that helped me keep this in mind was "rip the nips..." perhaps crude, but effective - it got me picturing the motion. Paul, your participation is greatly appreciated - thanks for being so gracious with your time.

TimG: when you first started DGCR, did you ever in your wildest dreams think the reigning World's Champ would be critiqing form and offering advice on the website you started?
Yeah, this is a preatty amazing reality.
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Old 12-24-2012, 01:35 AM
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Alright, time for one more thing that I am not sure has been said in so many words. Yes, I agree with the swooping up high being a bad thing. I also think you are rounding your arm rather than pulling straight through, which would be confirmed by letting us know how accurate you usually are with your drives. I would ponder a guess that you tend to spray your drives around a bit. The more important thing is that it looks like you are letting your disc go more than you are letting it rip out of your hand. This is evident by the lack of sound as the disc comes out of your hand. You are not listening for a snapping sound but a thump kind of sound. You can hear it well in the Liz Lopez video that was already posted. If you look at the fingers on her throwing hand they stay in the grip pretty much the hole way through her follow through before they go limp. In the video Paul McBeth posted of himself, you can see the same thing. Nice tight hand all the way through his follow through. In your video, your fingers are very straight as you follow through leading me to believe you are letting go of the disc rather than it ripping out. The consequence is that you loose a lot of power that could be transfered to the disc. All the distance comes from your arm strength which appears to be solid, especially if you are throwing 350' but I would imagine you could get out to 450'. I think there are a couple of videos that Discraft made that might also be helpful for you. I will admit, the first one goes back to the begining and is really basic for beginners, but there are some good things that Scott Papa says, especially when it comes to his little addition at the end.

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Old 12-24-2012, 01:37 AM
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I'm no expert, but I find I can get better distance with a surge or wraith further than a destroyer or boss.
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Old 12-24-2012, 06:16 AM
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Keep the critiques coming guys. This is definitely giving me hope having actual analysis from other people who obviously know the game. Huge thank you to The Champ for taking some time to respond to these throwing critiques. You're all class Paul.
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Old 12-24-2012, 06:40 AM
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I'm no expert, but I find I can get better distance with a surge or wraith further than a destroyer or boss.
The reason why is because the surge and wraith are not as overstable as the destroyer or boss. The more overstable the disc, the faster it wants to get to the ground.
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Old 12-24-2012, 07:44 AM
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You have a really easy fix man. Yes you have a swoop, easy fix. The thing I noticed the most, you lack that POP at the end of your throw. Check out dave feldburgs clinic when he uses a towel for his example. Sounds crazy but check it out. You can learn a lot from swinging a towel.

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Old 12-24-2012, 09:48 AM
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I have been playing for 3 years and throw WAY shorter than I used to. For reference I am 6'4 190lbs so I know I should be throwing farther. Take a look at these videos and tell me what I am doing wrong. And please don't say "throw with hyzer" or "hyzer flip everything" because if I could I would. My grip is a regular power grip. I feel like I am dragging my arm through. I don't think the nose angle is the problem. I have a friend that is 5'9 140lbs soak and wet and can throw 100 feet farther than me on a regular basis. Please for the love of all things holy help me. In order the discs are: Star Katana, Opto Riot, Echo Destroyer, Champ Boss.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chDa-CZC4Lg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVcVFtfD5OA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsJQ1pF8YLo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMbTRX1lZSA
It is rare for a relatively new player to dramatically lose distance except from injury or age. Most players will continue to increase distance as their form, snap and arm speed improve. My distance improved each year for about the first decade I played which I would guess is typical among players who practice a lot. So Gaerith2, if you do not suffer from injury or antiquity then the various suggestions given here will allow you to recapture your power.

But aside from technique or practice regimens your genes are very important. Fast twitch muscles play a big part in distance potential. Just like some athletes run faster or jump higher than their peers, so too do some players naturally throw farther.

Golf is not a distance competition it is a scoring competition and whatever skills we lack the most of seem the most attractive to us. So if you ask the "big arm no putt" player he is jealous of those who putt well. The "short arm good control" guy wants to bomb. When one person has it all, "big arm, great control, superb putt, mentally tough" then we call him Mr. Climo.

Query this, how often does the player who throws farthest win the tournament? Compare this answer to, how often does the player who putts best win the tournament? Those answers should direct where we practice the most.
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Old 12-24-2012, 10:12 AM
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The term I was taught that helped me keep this in mind was "rip the nips..." perhaps crude, but effective - it got me picturing the motion. Paul, your participation is greatly appreciated - thanks for being so gracious with your time.

TimG: when you first started DGCR, did you ever in your wildest dreams think the reigning World's Champ would be critiqing form and offering advice on the website you started?

That's actually Paul Mcbeth? I just assumed it was someone who was a big fan.
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Old 12-24-2012, 10:19 AM
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That's actually Paul Mcbeth? I just assumed it was someone who was a big fan.
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