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Old 01-11-2013, 01:55 PM
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as for the greens vs basket size argument

to me its simple.....the basket size is fine...we need more creativity from designers in making interesting and difficult greens

I think this is especially the case on par 3 holes.....I think a tough green at the conclusion of a TOUGH not easy par 5 or 4 is not really needed but on par 3s or easier par 4s and 5s I think designers should experiment and try to put baskets on edges of hills, close to cliffs, blocked from 1 side by trees/obstacles, near water, in jail trees, elevated, and on and on....a solid pro will make more putts on such greens from within 10-12m and lesser players will lay-up or miss and get penalized
I believe that's known as the
BWA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA!
school of course design.
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Old 01-11-2013, 02:15 PM
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I believe that's known as the
BWA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA!
school of course design.
Explain?
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Old 01-11-2013, 02:22 PM
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Why would it effect ratings? Ratings are based on how you do against the field not the course. In theory the best pro's putt the best. They would see the least penalty for the smaller baskets. The Am's would really inflate the round scores making the pro's ratings soar even higher, not decline.
I would think that the AMs inflated score would still pull the SSA up, which should result in less rating points per throw, so to speak. Whether that would come to the same for the best and worst result, I can't quite say, due to the secret that is the ratings calculation.
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Old 01-11-2013, 02:29 PM
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This is what I picture a Gold Par3 being. 370' dead straight.
What was the scoring average on that hole for the pros at the last DDGC?
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Old 01-11-2013, 02:53 PM
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Quote post 763

Doesn't sound like Avery at all...
To this point, I actually PMed Stan (who I've only randomly met once or twice on the course) saying that he should jump in on this thread, and would have plenty to add w/r/t scoring spread and design.

Unless I've mis-IDed you, you also could probably add some direct knowledge of how the McDaniel school of design philosophy adds to scoring spread among the men's open players...?

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Old 01-11-2013, 02:57 PM
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Increasing scoring spread is great, but it doesn't really change the problem* of our scores ending up really far under par compared to ball golf when par is set in a reasonable way.

*whether or not it's actually a problem is questionable, I personally doubt that's what's keeping us from "making it big"
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Old 01-11-2013, 03:10 PM
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Increasing scoring spread is great, but it doesn't really change the problem* of our scores ending up really far under par compared to ball golf when par is set in a reasonable way.

*whether or not it's actually a problem is questionable, I personally doubt that's what's keeping us from "making it big"
...and as this discussion is showing me, the simplest fix, par 2s for pros, makes a bigger problem than the original *problem, in this regard.

Ball golf majors will often feature a hole or two at par 4 when it plays as par 5 for mortals, hence the sometimes par 71 or 70, say at the US open. With so many DG courses featuring almost exclusively par 3s, it boils back down to par 2s vs tougher course design vs less forgiving baskets.
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Old 01-11-2013, 03:19 PM
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Par is already two on this "championship" course.
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Old 01-11-2013, 03:36 PM
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Par is already two on this "championship" course.
Kinda gotta wonder about who's signing their aces on this one. Hope it's kids < say 5.
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Old 01-11-2013, 03:40 PM
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Adding tougher baskets would not require separate ratings. Everyone in the rating pool would be playing them. The tougher baskets would simply raise the overall SSA for the course compared with regular baskets.
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