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Old 01-30-2013, 03:01 PM
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Yeah, Renny isn't "Very Hilly". Maybe somebody just set it like that so the SSE is closer to the SSA. Oh wait, maybe hilliness isn't in the SSE calc -- yeah, maybe not.
ha. I thought about the effect SSE tinkering might have played into this, but like you say, the trees/obstacles play much more into that formula than Hills (is it even part of the calculation?). Either way, I doubt that formula (or even functionality) is known widely enough to have many people making adjustments to course set ups here.

To see if I could get more courses and thereby mute/dampen statistical irregularities, I ran the numbers for 3.5+ rated with only 5+ reviews. The numbers vary by a few percentage points, but as suspected, the trends/conclusions stay the same:

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How Wooded	How Hilly	Count	Total	Percent
Lightly……	Mostly Flat	46	259	18%
Lightly……	Moderately	56	163	34%
Lightly……	Very Hilly	19	36	53%
Moderately	Mostly Flat	125	351	36%
Moderately	Moderately	219	387	57%
Moderately	Very  Hilly	104	145	72%
Heavily……	Mostly Flat	35	103	34%
Heavily……	Moderately	89	169	53%
Heavily……	Very Hilly	65	86	76%
Code:
How Wooded	Count	Total	Percent
Lightly……	121	458	26%
Moderately	448	883	51%
Heavily……	189	358	53%
Code:
How Hilly	Count	Total	Percent
Mostly Flat	206	713	29%
Moderately	364	719	51%
Very Hilly	188	267	70%

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Old 01-30-2013, 03:10 PM
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Old 01-30-2013, 03:29 PM
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ha. I thought about the effect SSE tinkering might have played into this, but like you say, the trees/obstacles play much more into that formula than Hills (is it even part of the calculation?). Either way, I doubt that formula (or even functionality) is known widely enough to have many people making adjustments to course set ups here.

To see if I could get more courses and thereby mute/dampen statistical irregularities, I ran the numbers for 3.5+ rated with only 5+ reviews. The numbers vary by a few percentage points, but as suspected, the trends/conclusions stay the same:

Code:
How Wooded	How Hilly	Count	Total	Percent
Lightly……	Mostly Flat	46	259	18%
Lightly……	Moderately	56	163	34%
Lightly……	Very Hilly	19	36	53%
Moderately	Mostly Flat	125	351	36%
Moderately	Moderately	219	387	57%
Moderately	Very  Hilly	104	145	72%
Heavily……	Mostly Flat	35	103	34%
Heavily……	Moderately	89	169	53%
Heavily……	Very Hilly	65	86	76%
Code:
How Wooded	Count	Total	Percent
Lightly……	121	458	26%
Moderately	448	883	51%
Heavily……	189	358	53%
Code:
How Hilly	Count	Total	Percent
Mostly Flat	206	713	29%
Moderately	364	719	51%
Very Hilly	188	267	70%
Is Flip City considered Lightly Wooded? Or moderately Hilly?
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Old 01-30-2013, 03:41 PM
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Flip City is listed as "Very Hilly & Lightly Wooded" (look in the Course Details section near the top of the page/section).

I would consider it Moderate/Moderate......but I can see why one could argue for the way it is set up.

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Old 01-30-2013, 03:48 PM
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I think those terms have a bit of a regional bias, just like the ratings. If everything in one area is completely flat, the course with one small hill is going to get labeled hilly. Same thing with the park style course among desert courses.
This, mostly.

Lik, I'd bet that at the time Renny was added here, it was the most elevation on a course in Charlotte....?

And I wonder if there are differences among those who apply the "hilliness" ratings...do some consider just the shots on the course, and others the total walk? Renny might get "very hilly" simply because it wears you out so much? Some holes, like 9 at Renny, involve going up and down a hill on the walk to the basket, but there's I bet less than 5' of elevation diff between tee and basket.

So, some think "hilly" and think about how up and down the walk is, some thing "hilly" and think only about how many drastic up- or down-hill shots are on the course?

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Old 01-30-2013, 03:53 PM
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...do some consider just the shots on the course, and others the walk? Renny might get "very hilly" simply because it wears you out so much?
Or if you suck, holes 2, 6 & 18 become pretty hilly!
They are flat if you can control your disc.
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Maybe the moral of the story is "Hitting trees is fun for some of the people some of the time, but throwing downhill is fun for all of the people all of the time"
^this. Even those of us who prefer tight and technical courses can get frustrated on heavily wooded courses like Nevin, Summit, Whitehall, etc. You hit the nail on the head Dave.

Moderately to well wooded (but not necessarily heavily) wooded is perfect as far as I'm concerned, but give me elevation. Put 'em together = Flip City.

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Old 01-30-2013, 04:10 PM
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I'm with mashnut. I think how wooded or hilly a course is listed as on here is very much relative to what else is in the area. As an example, Renny is listed as very hilly, while Sugaree is listed as only moderately so. I would venture to guess that you'll change elevation more at Sugaree than at Renny. But when you compare Sugaree to Ashe County,Bear Tree, or Plumtree, it's not nearly as much up and down. While Renny is much more than the Nest, or Kilborne.
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Flip City is listed as "Very Hilly & Lightly Wooded" (look in the Course Details section near the top of the page/section).

I would consider it Moderate/Moderate......but I can see why one could argue for the way it is set up.
how does it not make the top 3 courses then?
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Old 01-30-2013, 05:11 PM
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Because I made a mistake on that one - after filtering, I forgot to sort on ratings and so I just grabbed the first 3 alphabetically.

The top 3 are:
Flip City Disc Golf Park (MI), Base Camp Adventure Lodge DGC (UT), Stafford Lake County Park (CA).

I sent Bill a small donation of $12,000 for offending the Flip Faithful by not including them in a thread of top DGCR courses.
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