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Old 03-02-2013, 03:38 PM
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What is the best HANDICAPPING system for a league?

Not interested in a service that costs money...

We would like a format that is predesigned that we can use.

What does your local league use?

Thanks! Shall we begin the discussion?

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Old 03-02-2013, 06:51 PM
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Favorite system I played included adjusting the # of holes.

Basically the Pros would play 21 (1-18,1-3)

Adv Played 20

Int played 19

Rec played 18

I liked this because you could play the last three in 6 strokes....or 12
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Old 03-02-2013, 06:55 PM
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Not interested in a service that costs money...

We would like a format that is predesigned that we can use.

What does your local league use?

Thanks! Shall we begin the discussion?
Well, if you happen to have a reasonable SSA for the course/layout(s) you use for the league, and/or enough players with PDGA ratings, you can actually reverse the linear formulas used to compute SSA and rating interval to compute the actual averaged throw difference on the specific course/layout for each player.. I'd be happy to help with the math, if you'd like.
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Old 03-02-2013, 07:05 PM
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Well, if you happen to have a reasonable SSA for the course/layout(s) you use for the league, and/or enough players with PDGA ratings, you can actually reverse the linear formulas used to compute SSA and rating interval to compute the actual averaged throw difference on the specific course/layout for each player.. I'd be happy to help with the math, if you'd like.
Only problem that occurs with that is MOST locals will average scores in league play better than in a tournament. Basically a few 880 players will average scores that would be 930 in a tournament...and throw everything out of whack.

This is what happened at the local PDGA league I would personally opt of of ratings in. In the yearly B-tier a -7 is 1000+ every year...with a -10 at 1035. The small number of rated players (mostly 880s) allowed for skewed rounds if the group of 4 shot well as a whole. One day a -8 was 948....as opposed to 1014 a few months before.

Basically just keep an average of players' scores from the league and create the handicap system based of that...not PDGA ratings which are acquired under different circumstances.
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Old 03-02-2013, 07:11 PM
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Only problem that occurs with that is MOST locals will average scores in league play better than in a tournament. Basically a few 880 players will average scores that would be 930 in a tournament...and throw everything out of whack.

This is what happened at the local PDGA league I would personally opt of of ratings in. In the yearly B-tier a -7 is 1000+ every year...with a -10 at 1035. The small number of rated players (mostly 880s) allowed for skewed rounds if the group of 4 shot well as a whole. One day a -8 was 948....as opposed to 1014 a few months before.

Basically just keep an average of players' scores from the league and create the handicap system based of that...not PDGA ratings which are acquired under different circumstances.
I agree, there's definitely some potential for skewed round ratings, although out of curiosity did you try removing as propagators any players with fewer than 8 total sanctioned rounds? That's one of the PDGA criteria to be considered a propagator, and may help a bit with low-rated players with ratings that fluctuate a ton. However.. you could end up with too few propagators at all that way..
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Old 03-02-2013, 07:36 PM
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I forgot to mention our unique situation here in Memphis: I'd say around half of our league participants are not PDGA members with ratings. We are making a concerted effort to move towards PDGA events. At our C tier in the Fall we collected 28 new memberships so that's pretty huge, but right now ratings wouldn't work.

So, if our first two leagues of the year set handicaps for players, does anyone have a good system for managing handicaps? A system that will allow us to consistently update handicaps as they evolve through the year and use the handicaps to pay out players weekly based on their play (considering their handicap)...
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Old 03-02-2013, 07:40 PM
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I forgot to mention our unique situation here in Memphis: I'd say around half of our league participants are not PDGA members with ratings. We are making a concerted effort to move towards PDGA events. At our C tier in the Fall we collected 28 new memberships so that's pretty huge, but right now ratings wouldn't work.

So, if our first two leagues of the year set handicaps for players, does anyone have a good system for managing handicaps? A system that will allow us to consistently update handicaps as they evolve through the year and use the handicaps to pay out players weekly based on their play (considering their handicap)...
You don't necessarily need very many (initial) players with PDGA ratings to compute a reasonably-accurate SSA and then use its linear equation to compute round ratings and reverse it to compute handicaps.. you just need 5 propagators (although of course that means five players each with at least 8 previous sanctioned rounds). i.e. you can compute some provisional ratings for everyone who doesn't have them, as long as you have enough actual propagators.
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We don't do handicaps in our town and i love it that way. Handicaps take away incentive for mediocre players to get better, they know they dont need to try and get under par because the better players have to shoot 10 under to take first place.. which rarely happens at the courses in my area (some holes being 400+)

I remember being one of those guys that never got in top 5 but because leagues didnt have handicaps that gave me a challenge and something to work for, it helped me improve quickly and now im taking top 3 EVERY time.

Handicaps are trash, its such a socialist way of balancing out scores..

If your good at disc golf, you should be recognized for that.

Or maybe you can have a seperate divisions, Advanced and wimps

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We don't do handicaps in our town and i love it that way. Handicaps take away incentive for mediocre players to get better, they know they dont need to try and get under par because the better players have to shoot 10 under to take first place.. which rarely happens at the courses in my area (400+)

I remember being one of those guys that never got in top 5 but because leagues didnt have handicaps that gave me a challenge and something to work for, it helped me improve quickly and now i taking top 3 EVERY time.

Handicaps are trash, its such a socialist way of balancing out scores..

If your good at disc golf, you should be recognized for that.
That's why you update their handicap (and provisional rating) after every event. That way, mediocre players who stop putting in effort to improve stop winning. But yes, ultimately amateur players typically have greater ability to improve their skill, and thus an easier time doing well in handicap leagues/events.
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Old 03-02-2013, 11:07 PM
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we use handicaps in our winter team golf league
and because of that everyone gets to compete
myself, being an 825 ish rated player, think that its great
i get to play with, and learn how to improve from, 900-1000 rated players
instead of just getting frustrated, and then, not playing/paying in tournaments
(contributing to your winnings)
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