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Old 03-15-2013, 11:07 AM
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Only way to have a pink prodigy disc is to look at them through rose colored classes?
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Old 03-15-2013, 11:11 AM
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Mark, do you think you are being overly critical at this point considering 95% of the issues you have mentioned came from the very first shipment from Prodigy? Outside of all the "issues" with Prodigy discs the fading pink is the only one they havent corrected at warp speed.

Also, what is your opinion of the M4? Were you able to throw any of yours before selling them on eBay?


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Drinking Prodigy Coolaid....errr....white grape juice


Ps. Im not a Prodigy hater. I plan on carrying their discs when they figure this stuff out. I'm just really dissapointed there was so much hype, and they have really done a diservice to them and the sport. Every new disc is being launched without the correct questions being asked or answered. Regardless of how other companies do business, prodigy hyped being different; that was exciting for the sport. New discs, new plastic = interesting but NOT a GAME CHANGER. They are doing business the same or worse than the other lazy short sighted companies. Take a break, and do the right thing. Hire someone from another industry to do QC or has experiences with new product launches. Geez, just get something right... They seem to take more time shooting creative tall to short scenic team photos than they do launching a disc with no flaws. we aren't complaining about stuff that is meaning less like wts written too small or ink vs marker. THESE DISCS FADE IN 20 MINUTES, WTF. STOP with the (these are proto's/first runs) good, release only to your team and figure this junk out before people spend big $ to support you and then get screwed time and again.
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Old 03-15-2013, 11:21 AM
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Every pink prodigy disc comes with a set of Will Shades.
Just don't wear the glasses in the sun.
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Old 03-15-2013, 11:26 AM
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Drinking Prodigy Coolaid....errr....white grape juice


Ps. Im not a Prodigy hater. I plan on carrying their discs when they figure this stuff out. I'm just really dissapointed there was so much hype, and they have really done a diservice to them and the sport. Every new disc is being launched without the correct questions being asked or answered. Regardless of how other companies do business, prodigy hyped being different; that was exciting for the sport. New discs, new plastic = interesting but NOT a GAME CHANGER. They are doing business the same or worse than the other lazy short sighted companies. Take a break, and do the right thing. Hire someone from another industry to do QC or has experiences with new product launches. Geez, just get something right... They seem to take more time shooting creative tall to short scenic team photos than they do launching a disc with no flaws. we aren't complaining about stuff that is meaning less like wts written too small or ink vs marker. THESE DISCS FADE IN 20 MINUTES, WTF. STOP with the (these are proto's/first runs) good, release only to your team and figure this junk out before people spend big $ to support you and then get screwed time and again.
Well said couldnt agree more.
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Old 03-15-2013, 11:47 AM
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I bought two D4s out of their Proto Run and don't regret it at all. The plastic feels amazing, I throw one D4 a bunch and it has yet to take any real damage, and it's taken the place of about 4 different Katanas that I was trying to figure out.

I really don't understand why some of you dwell on stuff so hard, it's Disc Golf...
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Old 03-15-2013, 01:35 PM
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Mark, do you think you are being overly critical at this point considering 95% of the issues you have mentioned came from the very first shipment from Prodigy? Outside of all the "issues" with Prodigy discs the fading pink is the only one they havent corrected at warp speed.

Also, what is your opinion of the M4? Were you able to throw any of yours before selling them on eBay?
Ive worked in retail and consumer products for almost 15 years. Regardless of how well it ran the Nova was a No go in Latin America. While at BIC we had some iron shavings get into our ink. Probably effected the writing of 30,000 10 - $1 type pens. Management instantly told all customers. We redesigned the shipping cartons to have a marking and labeled all inner packs of the new run. They recalled EVERY pen and cost them a lot of money. But it was worth it because it told the retailer that BIC thinks the Customer is #1. Then changes were made to the production environment so it never happened again.

These "issues" with Prodigy would sink any "NEW"consumer company in any other market. They are lucky we are used to poor performance, low expectations on quality, lacking marketing or quality control, and a general lasse faire attitude towards the customer. Prodigy has made it 100% clear that their focus is pampering 10 "professional" disc golfers. We are clearly not Prodigy's focus. Unfortunately NO I feel that I (internally) am being too nice. Prodigy claimed and was marketed as a change in the way disc golf is done. THEY made these claims and THEY aren't meeting them. If someone visits my house, and their dog craps on my carpet, I don't care how fast they clean it up. Don't bring that dog over anymore. I honestly feel that the market is oversaturated with different discs. Its a sham, and the only thing that Prodigy brought to the table was a fresh start. They ruined that. Any of the 30 DG companies could spend $ to upgrade their processes, with an existing customer base. We were looking for something done right ALL THE TIME fresh. You know who doesn't get the press; DD and Lat. 64. They blow these guys away and they didn't need to use the Hype machine to do it. The best companies in this world shut their mouths and let the product do the talking. It seems like this company is run by a bunch of monkeys. I'm sad that we put up with this stuff. You and Mark are good friends but I'm disappointed that we as a DG community dont push harder on all the manufacturers to make good quality products. You go out and buy 175 discs. This tells Prodigy we don't care if you don't care about us. We will still buy your junk. Send us your poisoned first run of PA #X and we will clammer for it regardless of the quality. We should be able to answer someone that doesn't know disc golf that asks, how does this disc fly? Well you see it depends on the run, time of year, humidity, year produced...blah blah yuck yuck.

I havent thrown the ones I have. I will someday throw some prodigy, but I won't be amazed. There is no shot type that I can't make with my inventory of 1000 discs... I can even do it all with just Innova or Discraft. We dont need new plastics or discs. We need to be able to trust that if we pay $17 for $.30 worth of plastic it does the same stuff every time...and that if real news people become interested in the sport we can direct them to a well run supplier that has its stuff together.

95% in first runs... the issues were so glaring it is gross that they even thought about sending them out to the public. OVAL DISCS...awful stamps... cut discs. This is how you present your company? What is their quality check list? You think "round" would be #1.... Does Ford send its first electric vehicle out with only some of the doors painted? Oreo 2/3 of the cookies? Crayola 2 reds because blue didnt make it? Could you imagine if the newest ProV1 ball had the cover crack after 2 hits or the printing was crooked? People would be out of work, lots of people.
Stop giving them a pass. Just in the M's we have seen the dying issue, rumors that they are going to rename the entire line because they didn't test and realize the M2/3 were so close in flight. M4's being released before they were supposed to be. We dont even have good data on how well these things hold up, if they beat up to crap. How do they handle the cold?

We expected only what Prodigy said they would provide. They didn't. Its their fault and they still a screwing up obvious things. All they are is a below average "another disc golf copmany." So...we wait for the company that WILL rise up take the sport serious and think "What have I done for the customer today."
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Old 03-15-2013, 01:45 PM
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Its like your Partner always calling you and telling you how much they miss you and "just wait till you get home to a special home cooked meal," cause you deserve it... Everytime get home, excited, the house is a wreck, and they say, how 'bout I just order chinese and you pick it up. ..."So and so stopped by, I didnt have time to cook."

Eventually, you just eat a giant lunch at work, ignore their phone calls, and play 9 holes on your way home.
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Ive worked in retail and consumer products for almost 15 years. Regardless of how well it ran the Nova was a No go in Latin America. While at BIC we had some iron shavings get into our ink. Probably effected the writing of 30,000 10 - $1 type pens. Management instantly told all customers. We redesigned the shipping cartons to have a marking and labeled all inner packs of the new run. They recalled EVERY pen and cost them a lot of money. But it was worth it because it told the retailer that BIC thinks the Customer is #1. Then changes were made to the production environment so it never happened again.

These "issues" with Prodigy would sink any "NEW"consumer company in any other market. They are lucky we are used to poor performance, low expectations on quality, lacking marketing or quality control, and a general lasse faire attitude towards the customer. Prodigy has made it 100% clear that their focus is pampering 10 "professional" disc golfers. We are clearly not Prodigy's focus. Unfortunately NO I feel that I (internally) am being too nice. Prodigy claimed and was marketed as a change in the way disc golf is done. THEY made these claims and THEY aren't meeting them. If someone visits my house, and their dog craps on my carpet, I don't care how fast they clean it up. Don't bring that dog over anymore. I honestly feel that the market is oversaturated with different discs. Its a sham, and the only thing that Prodigy brought to the table was a fresh start. They ruined that. Any of the 30 DG companies could spend $ to upgrade their processes, with an existing customer base. We were looking for something done right ALL THE TIME fresh. You know who doesn't get the press; DD and Lat. 64. They blow these guys away and they didn't need to use the Hype machine to do it. The best companies in this world shut their mouths and let the product do the talking. It seems like this company is run by a bunch of monkeys. I'm sad that we put up with this stuff. You and Mark are good friends but I'm disappointed that we as a DG community dont push harder on all the manufacturers to make good quality products. You go out and buy 175 discs. This tells Prodigy we don't care if you don't care about us. We will still buy your junk. Send us your poisoned first run of PA #X and we will clammer for it regardless of the quality. We should be able to answer someone that doesn't know disc golf that asks, how does this disc fly? Well you see it depends on the run, time of year, humidity, year produced...blah blah yuck yuck.

I havent thrown the ones I have. I will someday throw some prodigy, but I won't be amazed. There is no shot type that I can't make with my inventory of 1000 discs... I can even do it all with just Innova or Discraft. We dont need new plastics or discs. We need to be able to trust that if we pay $17 for $.30 worth of plastic it does the same stuff every time...and that if real news people become interested in the sport we can direct them to a well run supplier that has its stuff together.

95% in first runs... the issues were so glaring it is gross that they even thought about sending them out to the public. OVAL DISCS...awful stamps... cut discs. This is how you present your company? What is their quality check list? You think "round" would be #1.... Does Ford send its first electric vehicle out with only some of the doors painted? Oreo 2/3 of the cookies? Crayola 2 reds because blue didnt make it? Could you imagine if the newest ProV1 ball had the cover crack after 2 hits or the printing was crooked? People would be out of work, lots of people.
Stop giving them a pass. Just in the M's we have seen the dying issue, rumors that they are going to rename the entire line because they didn't test and realize the M2/3 were so close in flight. M4's being released before they were supposed to be. We dont even have good data on how well these things hold up, if they beat up to crap. How do they handle the cold?

We expected only what Prodigy said they would provide. They didn't. Its their fault and they still a screwing up obvious things. All they are is a below average "another disc golf copmany." So...we wait for the company that WILL rise up take the sport serious and think "What have I done for the customer today."
I like this post a lot. After my D4 changed color when it hit a tree, I wasn't buying anymore Prodigy stuff. I also got a D1 with a weird Eagle-X type notch on TOP of the flight plate around the edge. The real kicker is that you can only feel it on HALF of the disc. It's a real shame too because the plastic feels great.
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Old 03-15-2013, 01:57 PM
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Its like your Partner always calling you and telling you how much they miss you and "just wait till you get home to a special home cooked meal," cause you deserve it... Everytime get home, excited, the house is a wreck, and they say, how 'bout I just order chinese and you pick it up. ..."So and so stopped by, I didnt have time to cook."

Eventually, you just eat a giant lunch at work, ignore their phone calls, and play 9 holes on your way home.
Wow, if you need a hug or someone to talk to yikes
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Old 03-15-2013, 01:58 PM
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Yea...ummm...I heard it from a friend.
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