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Old 03-28-2013, 03:51 PM
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Exactly opposite amigo, I'm saying quit calling anhyzer release angles "OAT". I think people are getting this backwards quite often.

When I throw, I take OAT into consideration exactly NEVER. I just say I torqued the throw, and to please stop, and oh god why can't I just hyzer again.
Ok, so what i said at the end was what you were trying to say, got it.
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Old 03-28-2013, 03:54 PM
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You got it, we are saying the same thing, but you thought I was saying the opposite. Which is exactly what I'm saying people should stop doing with OAT vs Anhyzer.
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Old 03-28-2013, 03:56 PM
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Exactly opposite amigo, I'm saying quit calling anhyzer release angles "OAT". I think people are getting this backwards quite often.

When I throw, I take OAT into consideration exactly NEVER. I just say I torqued the throw, and to please stop, and oh god why can't I just hyzer again.
A lot of people throw hyzer and anhyzer shots with oat intentionally. My favorite shot is as much OAT as I can control on a Comet, to keep the nose up so it doesn't flip until the last 1/3 of the flight.

There's a better thread for OAT conversations; Pablo, you might get something out of re-reading it.

http://www.dgcoursereview.com/forums...ad.php?t=83164
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Old 03-28-2013, 04:11 PM
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It still sounds like putting intentional hyzer/anhyzer release versus the plane you are pulling on. If this is what's called "intentional OAT", well that's dandy. I'll just start my own thing and use Street Fighter II moves as my naming system.

Hyzer = "Shoryuken!"
Anhyzer = "Yoga Flame!"
Intentional OAT = "Tiger UPPERCUT!"
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Old 03-28-2013, 04:17 PM
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I think we need visual aids ...

I think about force creating axes, not objects or positions ... so I don't think I can answer that in a way that would make sense to you.
...or anyone that has any idea what these terms mean, for that matter.

The axis is the center of the discs spin, not something the entire disc revolves around, like the thrower.

The Sun, for example is NOT the earth's axis. the earth rotates on it's own axis.

There's a difference between rotation and revolving, and torque has a specific definintion, even though it may not jibe with what you 'think about.'

Next time you want to condescend, might want to at least accurately define the terms you're using.
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Old 03-28-2013, 04:25 PM
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I was not trying to condescend. I don't appreciate your implications of condescension.
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Old 03-28-2013, 05:27 PM
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There's different forms of oat, what is being describing is more of nose manipulation or pitching attitude. The problem that noobs have with oat is that they have so much of it and don't know what a clean swing plane is or have good swing mechanics.
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Old 03-28-2013, 05:45 PM
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Wow, even a thread that is just associated with a Feldbeard informational video gets nasty quick.

Because I know everyone cares a bunch about my opinion [sarcasm] I will say that I mostly agree with pablo. Anhyzer angle is different from OAT. But OAT is indeed its own concept, and I have seen one or two people throw with "intentional" OAT very well on a FH, although if you asked them about OAT they would probably tell you it is something to feed horses.

I think OAT is most easily defined as "wobble," which should remove most of the confusion regarding axes, etc. Think about the stupid human trick of someone keeping a bunch of plates spinning on a bunch of poles, the OAT is when the plates start to wobble when they are close to falling. I always heard it was caused by your arm moving faster than your wrist (or snap I guess), which kind of makes sense to me.

So OAT=wobble. Anhzyer angle does NOT equal OAT. Thoughts?
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Old 03-28-2013, 07:46 PM
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come on guys. feldberg is talking about throwing on two axes simultaneously. that is the definition of off axis torque.

off topic to op but relevant to the thread, an anhyzer shot can be thrown cleanly without oat. off-axis is not in relation to the ground, but to the angle of release.
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Old 03-28-2013, 08:04 PM
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Anhzyer angle does NOT equal OAT.
This is true.
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