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Old 03-28-2013, 09:06 PM
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off topic to op but relevant to the thread, an anhyzer shot can be thrown cleanly without oat. off-axis is not in relation to the ground, but to the angle of release.
The swing plane must match the spinal axis for no oat.
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Old 03-28-2013, 09:15 PM
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The swing plane must match the spinal axis for no oat.
this is true, all body angles must be aligned for a completely on-axis throw.
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Old 03-29-2013, 12:13 PM
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come on guys. feldberg is talking about throwing on two axes simultaneously. that is the definition of off axis torque.

off topic to op but relevant to the thread, an anhyzer shot can be thrown cleanly without oat. off-axis is not in relation to the ground, but to the angle of release.
Which lever is off-axis? Somewhere along the knees/hips/feet area?
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Old 03-29-2013, 01:58 PM
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Which lever is off-axis? Somewhere along the knees/hips/feet area?
If you see the beard throw a roller or a "flat hyzer" his lower half is almost always in a similar position, waist up and pull thru generally are identical. (W/ each other on the top half, wasnt meant to sound like waist up matched waist down)
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Old 03-29-2013, 02:07 PM
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The axis is the center of the discs spin, not something the entire disc revolves around, like the thrower.
If the axis is the center of the discs spin, then it would be impossible, by definition, to apply off-axis torque by throwing a disc. OAT must then refer to being off of the 'axis of radial symmetry' of the disc, not the axis of rotation (which depends on that particular throw). After all, the axis of rotation is exactly what you just imparted to it.

For example, if you threw the disc so it toppled end-over-end like a flapjack.... If you put any of what we normally call spin on the disc also, then by your definition, that spin would be OAT since it's off the axis of rotation, which is end-over-end. However, in a regular throw, that same spin would not be OAT at all, when using the quoted definition.

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Old 03-29-2013, 02:17 PM
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If the axis is the center of the discs spin, then it would be impossible, by definition, to apply off-axis torque by throwing a disc. OAT must then refer to being off of the 'axis of radial symmetry' of the disc, not the axis of rotation (which depends on that particular throw). After all, the axis of rotation is exactly what you just imparted to it.

For example, if you threw the disc so it toppled end-over-end like a flapjack.... If you put any of what we normally call spin on the disc also, then by your definition, that spin would be OAT since it's off the axis of rotation, which is end-over-end. However, in a regular throw, that same spin would not be OAT at all, when using the quoted definition.
This is why i advocate for a term change. OAT is misleading.

OAT as we use it, assumes that you assume a lot.
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Old 03-29-2013, 05:51 PM
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Is this kind of discussion what killed the dinosaurs? Did they forget to eat because they were way too worried about the off axis torque imparted on a stone when they threw it?

You guys have way too much time on your hands. Just go throw and have some fun.
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Old 04-04-2013, 04:39 PM
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come on guys. feldberg is talking about throwing on two axes simultaneously. that is the definition of off axis torque.
but if he's stating to be on 1 axis into the 'hit' and then switch to a different axis while in the 'hit zone' then if he's centered on Axis 1 and then switches to centered on Axis 2, then he wouldn't have Oat right? it'd just be Axisception?
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Old 04-04-2013, 07:02 PM
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can someone explain how the pythagorean theorem is used in determining the height of the throw. the video wasn't very clear.

what distance do you measure or guesstimate to find the height? is it the distance from your lie to the object your trying to go around, the distance beyond the object your going around to the target, or some other distance?
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Old 04-05-2013, 06:50 AM
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OAT is a misleading term. Feldberg is a hell of player but his teaching leaves much to be desired.
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