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Stable mids turned into OS mids

So is the new thing taking a stable mid and adding a nose spacer the new way of making overstable discs?

the Buzzz OS looks just like a buzzz, flies like a buzzz at hss, but fades considerably harder.
the Verdict looks like a truth, flies like a truth at hss, but fades considerably harder.
i didnt look at the roc3 or shark3 tho, short term memory...wait what?

if this is the new way im all for it! maybe they can even go backwards and make OS mids stable mids by removing a spacer??
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Roc3's are more understable than ranchos.
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Don't know how spacers figure in other than blunter edge, slower flight. Didn't it used to be no bead, bead, bigger bead? And of course higher PLH designed in.
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Don't know how spacers figure in other than blunter edge, slower flight. Didn't it used to be no bead, bead, bigger bead? And of course higher PLH designed in.
not to start the bead/stability convo again. but the bead adds stability not overstability. see the most recent innova commercial.

and ya your first sentence is my assumption as well.
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I think they've been doing stuff like this for a long time. It's just that the marketing has changed. Rather than promoting them as new molds they promote them as tweaks to old molds.
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not to start the bead/stability convo again. but the bead adds stability not overstability. see the most recent innova commercial.

and ya your first sentence is my assumption as well.
Right, bead is for stability, but bigger beads have been used to make discs overstable, IIRC. Putters come to mind.

Overstable beadless mids, you have to look at the wing design, how concave, how much curvature to leading edge vs straighter and blunter, and PLH, etc. Beads notwithstanding, if you have a curved Teebird-esque wing on a mid, it's going to add fade....vs a straight taper, like a Mako or Coyote.

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Tensor is an interesting shape for an overstable mid.
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Overstable beadless mids, you have to look at the wing design, how concave, how much curvature to leading edge vs straighter and blunter, and PLH, etc. Beads notwithstanding, if you have a curved Teebird-esque wing on a mid, it's going to add fade....vs a straight taper, like a Mako or Coyote.
Sticking to Innova the Whippet, beadless Gator, and Cro are more similar in shape to the latter.
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Verdict was a mistake, they were trying to make a Truth stability but made it too overstable. So they had to tweak the Verdict.
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Sticking to Innova the Whippet, beadless Gator, and Cro are more similar in shape to the latter.
Gator might be, don't think so on the Whippet and Cro. Gator and Cro are also smaller diameter mids, FWIW. Whippet is a fairway driver.
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