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Old 08-06-2013, 10:08 AM
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Opaque and Translucent are different no matter what "plastic" we are talking about. Polymers are naturally clear but have stuff added to them, to change their chemical properties. So the base is the same being a polymer but by no means are they the same products just derived from the same base.


Many polymeric materials having chain-like structures similar to polyethylene are known. Polymers formed by a straightforward linking together of monomer units, with no loss or gain of material, are called addition polymers or chain-growth polymers. A listing of some important addition polymers and their monomer precursors is presented in the following table.
Not entirely true. Some polymers inherently have better optics than others. Various polymers are better suited for specific applications based on the requirements. Polymers are naturally colorless. before being processed by the end user various additives like colorants and uv stabilizers will be added. The original polymer is still evident after the additives are added into the batch.
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Old 08-06-2013, 10:11 AM
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Cool, same base, different additive.. w/e lol they feel the same to me most the time. But that might explain why they mold up differently sometimes.
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Old 08-06-2013, 10:11 AM
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I still stand by my statement that the Volt is fastest thing that flies like a good overstable TB(not all TBs are equal)...Nothing else faster has even reminded me remotely of a TB. Hammer knows this, he's just messing with y'all.

Why would you want a disc faster than a Teebird that still mimicked the HSS/LSS of the TB? Does anyone really have to ask that question? Not to replace your TB, but to fly like it but farther and lower. Speed doesn't necessarily rule out a TB-like flight either. The TB has more HSS than any neutral-ish fairway driver that is slower than it, yet doesn't have a proportional amount of extra fade. The P Volt is like this as well compared to discs in it's speed class. It has the flightpath of a slower disc.
.....I've been outed. Yes, the Volts fly a lot like good Teebirds, but not exactly. I still prefer the TB's, mainly for the fact that I like how slow they are, and because I have about 5 years worth of experience with them that I don't feel like abandoning. The 10-20 extra feet of distance isn't worth the switch. Plus, Innova has been releasing some pretty solid runs of birds, so I am stocking up on the cheap. If they go back to making the crappy domed ones, I will consider switching to the Volt. In the meantime, the only MVP that finds it's way into my game is the Anode.
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Old 08-06-2013, 10:21 AM
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Cool, same base, different additive.. w/e lol they feel the same to me most the time. But that might explain why they mold up differently sometimes.
They are likely a blend of various polymers. No way of knowing for sure without observing their process or talking to someone that deals directly with it. That type of information is typically company confidential in the polymer business, however.
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Old 08-06-2013, 10:26 AM
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Not entirely true. Some polymers inherently have better optics than others. Various polymers are better suited for specific applications based on the requirements. Polymers are naturally colorless. before being processed by the end user various additives like colorants and uv stabilizers will be added. The original polymer is still evident after the additives are added into the batch.
The typical premium disc plastic is a thermoplastic polyurethane that can be injection molded, correct? (I don't know anything about the disc making process, just remembering sh*t from some materials class I took) And depending on the amount of cross linkage and chain lengths through varying the isocyanates, diols and polyols in the reaction you get different densities and stiffness.
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Old 08-06-2013, 10:40 AM
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The typical premium disc plastic is a thermoplastic polyurethane that can be injection molded, correct? (I don't know anything about the disc making process, just remembering sh*t from some materials class I took) And depending on the amount of cross linkage and chain lengths through varying the isocyanates, diols and polyols in the reaction you get different densities and stiffness.
I am not entirely sure what polymer type is used. There are ways to find out fairly easily if you have the right equipment and expertise. Things like cross-linking can be the result of a number of things and can be undesirable in certain applications. Chain lengths will vary the molecular weight with long chain branching affecting the density.
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Old 08-06-2013, 06:22 PM
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Would anyone know if a Tensor is more overstable than a Vibram Obex? I compare an Obex to a Wasp so is it more overstable than that or right about the same overstability?
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Old 08-06-2013, 06:43 PM
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Would anyone know if a Tensor is more overstable than a Vibram Obex? I compare an Obex to a Wasp so is it more overstable than that or right about the same overstability?
Pretty much the same man.

Edit: Well the Tensor does have better foward fade.
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Old 08-06-2013, 06:49 PM
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Would anyone know if a Tensor is more overstable than a Vibram Obex? I compare an Obex to a Wasp so is it more overstable than that or right about the same overstability?
More or less the same amount of overstability, but it's a different flight - my Tensor fades later and feels a bit faster than the Obex I've thrown.
 

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Old 08-06-2013, 06:51 PM
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More or less the same amount of overstability, but it's a different flight - my Tensor fades later and feels a bit faster than the Obex I've thrown.
Yes, tensor goes out very straight for a while, then fades late but somewhat hard.
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