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Old 05-26-2013, 09:52 AM
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I'm super stoked to see ZJ's form broken down. It would be nice to see it in super slow-mo, regular slow-mo and, as seen in skate/snow/bmx vids, certain frames broken down almost like sequential photos, to really examine each motion/part.
This video unfortunately wasn't shot like this. I am basically Yetis puppet for one of the clinics we held. Its a simple but effect break down of the essentials. Maybe ZAM can do some magic with it to slow it down

Doing slow-mo to really is on our short list and if we can find the time I have plenty of ideas for a series. But that might be tied to an entirely different project later down the line
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Old 05-27-2013, 03:05 PM
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Awesome. Looking forward to it.
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Old 05-27-2013, 03:42 PM
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I think it was very helpful, and a great vid. The standstill has helped me with accuracy and now I almost feel confident throwing overstable drivers with no run up. I watch all the vids and try them all and then figure out which one works best for me. Beato's was never helpful for me, Citysmasher never worked for me, the Blake T vids freaked me out and never worked for me. Feldberg's have, and Shustericks sure as hell have. I have a similar build I think with a long wingspan but a higher BMI index. Think the unlocking the shoulders out of all the vids was the first time that I had ever heard of that to help simplify reach back. I think out of all these instructional vids I think just practice, playing with 1000 rated players and watching LCGM8 vids have helped more than all these vids combined but I still think this was the best instructional vid on the net that I have seen.
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Old 05-27-2013, 03:59 PM
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Can't wait to try some of this stuff.
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Old 05-28-2013, 01:29 PM
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Possibly. But Will is a 1040+ rated player...I don't understand how someone could possibly think he has no clue about the mechanics of the game. Will has some of the cleanest form I've ever seen, that's unquestionable.
You'd be surprised. In golf a lot of the game's best players have NO CLUE what they're actually doing in their golf swings. Feel ain't real.

I've liked a lot of what you've had to say, ZJ. You should put together some instructional videos. I'd be happy to help with that, or to put you in charge of an instructional disc golf site I've been working on roughly three minutes a week. (Got busy now that spring/summer are here. :P).

It's a good video from Will, but there's an awfully low bar in disc golf instruction right now.
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Old 05-28-2013, 02:37 PM
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I went out and tried a lot of this stuff. I think Will's video is really helpful (more so than Beato's). One thing I'm struggling with, though, is keeping my aim consistent while completely turning my back to the throw.

I know: practice, practice, practice. But are there any tips people have for maintaining a sense of accuracy while also keeping up with the power that turning your shoulders gives?
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Old 05-28-2013, 02:44 PM
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I went out and tried a lot of this stuff. I think Will's video is really helpful (more so than Beato's). One thing I'm struggling with, though, is keeping my aim consistent while completely turning my back to the throw.

I know: practice, practice, practice. But are there any tips people have for maintaining a sense of accuracy while also keeping up with the power that turning your shoulders gives?
Accuracy with that type of reach back is only gained by sound mechanics. Your body timing becomes your aiming when you turn back this much. Adding a longer reach back makes timing even more difficult. It might add 5% distance but it won't increase accuracy at all. Some of this can be improved through practice with the style. This is why Beto has a compact form - it allows for repeatable distance and accuracy with minimal movement.

I would recommend turning your shoulders but not reaching back as far as Will. You will find the disc actually doesn't have to much at all. As you turn your shoulder forward, your body will basically just move around this disc. This gives you a set point from which to move the disc forward, rather than having to move the disc into the "zone". This will increase accuracy and produce repeatable results. As you master a shorter reach back, your timing and accuracy will improve, allowing you to add a longer reach back as develop your skill set.
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Old 05-28-2013, 02:49 PM
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I went out and tried a lot of this stuff. I think Will's video is really helpful (more so than Beato's). One thing I'm struggling with, though, is keeping my aim consistent while completely turning my back to the throw.

I know: practice, practice, practice. But are there any tips people have for maintaining a sense of accuracy while also keeping up with the power that turning your shoulders gives?
it's something that over time you'll get a feel for the more you do it. keep in mind that you are picking out and visualizing the line you want the disc on before you begin. then when you're going in to it you're just pulling the disc back straight on that line and then going forward straight on that line.

i try to visualize a very small point and even when my eyes come off that point in my head i'm still picturing where that point is relative to my body. once you get in to the rhythm of it you have to commit to the reach back because if you don't you'll get offline.

i take my eyes off the target longer and sooner than most people but when i'm focused i have no problem hitting my mark. when i'm off it's because i'm not committing to my normal reach back which gets my mechanics off and doesn't allow me to keep the disc online coming back forward.
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Old 05-28-2013, 04:25 PM
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I went out and tried a lot of this stuff. I think Will's video is really helpful (more so than Beato's). One thing I'm struggling with, though, is keeping my aim consistent while completely turning my back to the throw.

I know: practice, practice, practice. But are there any tips people have for maintaining a sense of accuracy while also keeping up with the power that turning your shoulders gives?
I've told people before the biggest factor for me is making sure my plant foot lands in the direction I want to throw. As long as I don't start pulling the disc through too early, it isn't too much of a problem.
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Old 05-28-2013, 06:11 PM
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ZJ's work has been proceeding in order to bring perfection to the crudely conceived idea of a technique that would not only supply inverse reactive coiling for use in unilateral phase detractors, but would also be capable of automatically synchronizing cardinal grammeters. Such a technique is the "Reciprocating Dinglearm."

The technique had a base-plate of prefabulated amulite, surmounted by a malleable logarithmic hyzer casing in such a way that the two spurving bearings were in a direct line with the pentametric fan. The main winding was of the normal lotus-o-delta type placed in panendermic semi-boloid slots in the stator, every seventh lever being connected by a nonreversible trem'e spine to the differential girdlespring on the 'up' end of the grammeters. Forty-one manestically spaced grouting levers were arranged to feed into the rotor slipstream a mixture of high S-value momentum and 5% reminative inertia. Both of these have specific pericosities given by P = 2.5C.n^6-7 where n is the diathetical evolute of retrograde temperature phase disposition and C is Cholmondeley's annular grillage coefficient. Initially, n was measured with the aid of a metapolar refractive pilfrometer, but up to the present date nothing has been found to equal the transcendental hopper dadoscope. Undoubtedly, the reciprocating dinglearm has now reached a very high level of technical development. It has been successfully used for operating nofer trunnions. In addition, whenever a barescent skor motion is required, it may be employed in conjunction with a drawn turboencabulator to reduce sinusoidal depleneration.
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