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Old 06-07-2013, 01:54 PM
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Unrelated to snap, but this helped me a ton with my standstill shots.

Rather than pivoting the 'pivot' foot, someone had me open my stance toward the target. In other words, rather than start, say, with my right (RHBH) ankle pointed to the target, point my right toe to the target, or as nearly as possible. I'm not that flexible, but even getting the front foot 45 deg open to the target, it helped me with accuracy, weight transfer (nose down,) and follow-thru (D.)

Not having the hip rotation of the pivot may sap some D, but since most standstill shots are not really "max D" situations, the accuracy and nose down aspect of this change more than made up for it, for me. And, actually, being able to have a smooth, longer follow through with the toe/knee more toward the target offset the loss of hip rotation.
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Old 06-07-2013, 01:55 PM
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You're worrying, stressing, thinking about it too much man! Just focus on one part of your throw, and throw! The follow thru, or the angle of the disc, whatever you have to do to take your mind off of internet malarky, and just have some fun!

This isn't work, it's a hobby/ sport. If you are not having fun, you'll never progress, and it's impossible to have fun when you tell yourself you're not doing it right over and over.
This. And the follow-on suspicion, you may be overthrowing. I get better reults usually when I feel like I'm not throwing hard enough.
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Old 06-07-2013, 03:34 PM
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Old 06-07-2013, 11:03 PM
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I felt rip out for the past month, but still couldn't break 275. I broke it today, hitting 300 for the first time, and all I did was loosen up my body and use a much shorter (almost non-existant) reach back while still keeping my shoulders closed. This let me put all my acceleration into the last bit of my throw. Using my lace (half red and half white) I could easily notice how much faster the disc was spinning.

For me, the elusive snap doesn't feel much different, it looks different. The disc rips out at a higher velocity, faster than if I was throwing a ball, and spins much quicker. To get there, I smoothed out, simplified, found a comfortable grip (the fork), and drilled my late acceleration by simply removing most of my reachback.

Its been a month of hard work, now I know snap, and hopfully will see it out on the course again tomorrow!
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Old 06-07-2013, 11:06 PM
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I felt rip out for the past month, but still couldn't break 275. I broke it today, hitting 300 for the first time, and all I did was loosen up my body and use a much shorter (almost non-existant) reach back while still keeping my shoulders closed. This let me put all my acceleration into the last bit of my throw. Using my lace (half red and half white) I could easily notice how much faster the disc was spinning.

For me, the elusive snap doesn't feel much different, it looks different. The disc rips out at a higher velocity, faster than if I was throwing a ball, and spins much quicker. To get there, I smoothed out, simplified, found a comfortable grip (the fork), and drilled my late acceleration by simply removing most of my reachback.

Its been a month of hard work, now I know snap, and hopfully will see it out on the course again tomorrow!
I use a large reach back for my power throws. So far that people in this area have joked and told me they are going to start calling me "Rubber band" or "Cross County" lol. You really need to build a throw from the ground up that has a strong explosion from the hips that transfers up the body. This way, the mechanical advantage of your arm is increased by having a strong, explosive core rotation that can be used to propel the arm in the whip-like motion you are starting to recognize.
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Old 06-07-2013, 11:27 PM
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I use a large reach back for my power throws. So far that people in this area have joked and told me they are going to start calling me "Rubber band" or "Cross County" lol. You really need to build a throw from the ground up that has a strong explosion from the hips that transfers up the body. This way, the mechanical advantage of your arm is increased by having a strong, explosive core rotation that can be used to propel the arm in the whip-like motion you are starting to recognize.
Word. I have been using a huge reach back because when you watch videos of people driving, the reach back is easy to see and imitate. The hips, shoulder, grip, nose down, and late acceleration are hard to see. For me the huge reach back made it hard to line the others up and smooth out. I know that for real distance, my reach back will grow, but the snap and distance was easier to experience with a shorter one.

The idea actually came from watching Valerie Jenkins out drive me with a wraith and a tiny reach back in this video:
http://thespintv.com/videos/in-my-ba...larie-jenkins/

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Old 06-08-2013, 12:19 AM
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Word. I have been using a huge reach back because when you watch videos of people driving, the reach back is easy to see and imitate. The hips, shoulder, grip, nose down, and late acceleration are hard to see. For me the huge reach back made it hard to line the others up and smooth out. I know that for real distance, my reach back will grow, but the snap and distance was easier to experience with a shorter one.

The idea actually came from watching Valerie Jenkins out drive me with a wraith and a tiny reach back in this video:
http://thespintv.com/videos/in-my-ba...larie-jenkins/
Disc Golf Monthly 94 helped me quite a bit. Feldberg's clinics and the way he presents stuff seems to click for me and gives me good points to experiment myself from. The distance part starts around 9:40.

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Disc Golf Monthly 94 helped me quite a bit. Feldberg's clinics and the way he presents stuff seems to click for me and gives me good points to experiment myself from. The distance part starts around 9:40.
Always awesome to see pros ripping it on my home course! Great vid, and the grip GG uses is the one I just discovered and love so much! It is funny how much more the clinics make sense after feeling/succeeding at some of the techniques.
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Old 06-10-2013, 08:57 AM
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One thing I have noticed lately, on my better throws I hit my left pec during the pullthrough sometimes, seems to happen more often than not too......is that an indication of anything?

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Loki we need a video of your throw from the side of the teepad and from behind.

Also a photo of your grip on a fairway driver will help. I'm sure we can fix the nose angle issues with a grip change. There are grips that force your arm to a more level pull through and align the wrist in plane with the forearm without forcing anything.

Don't be embarassed. Nobody ever pokes fun as long as your honest about your distance and troubles.
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If you don't feel comfortable posting a video, watching yourself throw still helps. You'll be surprised at things you are doing wrong that you thought you were doing right.

I was in the same boat for my first two years. Seeing myself throw was what helped the most. Focus on changing one thing at a time. If you notice an improvement, keep repeating that motion until it becomes ingrained in your muscle memory. Then focus on something else and repeat.

It can be confusing listening to advice in a forum because there are different techniques that allow you to throw far. Which technique works best varies from person to person. However, there are certain fundamentals that are required for every throwing style. I remember seeing a thread in DGR on those fundamentals. I will see if I can find it and post a link here.
I'm fine posting a video I have a couple here already, I just need to get the time to do it.....plus my phone has been acting up with the videos and likes to freeze while taking video.....I'll try to get out this week...


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Thats pretty good actually, I'm sure I do most if not all of those things, how to fix them though is another story.....

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Always awesome to see pros ripping it on my home course! Great vid, and the grip GG uses is the one I just discovered and love so much! It is funny how much more the clinics make sense after feeling/succeeding at some of the techniques.
I tried that grip he uses and I get nose up issues bad with it....
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One thing I have noticed lately, on my better throws I hit my left pec during the pullthrough sometimes, seems to happen more often than not too......is that an indication of anything?
Shows that you are getting more distance when you bring the disc in close to your chest. Also, when the disc hits your chest, it makes you pause a little bit, forcing you to accelerate late into the hit. Instead of pulling through in a straight line, try bringing the disc into your chest at an angle. The path of the pull-through will be a flat V-shape. You should feel the weight of the disc after it passes through the bottom of the V. Don't accelerate until that point.

I know that everybody says to pull through in a straight line, but this is more to eliminate rounding. What I described above is the opposite of rounding and will help you to feel the weight of the disc vs. a straight pull.

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Thats pretty good actually, I'm sure I do most if not all of those things, how to fix them though is another story.....
Pick one thing and focus on only that until it gets ingrained into your muscle memory. Then move on to the next one.
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