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Old 06-07-2013, 05:13 PM
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How I Would Change the PDGA

I am beginning my campaign for reelection to the PDGA Board of Directors. I serve at the pleasure of the membership, and I want to present a very clear and detailed statement so members can easily judge whether they would like to vote for me or not.

I want to change the PDGA. I believe that the “little people” in our organization have been left far behind. I’m talking about people who pay too much and about people who serve without meaningful compensation. This includes about 90% of our membership, 97% of our Tournament Directors and all of our State Coordinators.

We (the PDGA) have become like a giant vacuum cleaner that sucks enormous amounts of money (over half a million dollars in fees in 2013) from local clubs and communities, and spends more than $300,000 on a few “PDGA-owned” events that are attended by about 10% of the membership. Thus the balance between “top down” and “bottom up” is all out of whack.

The next post in this thread presents a list of items that I hope someday to help implement. This would at least in part correct the imbalances noted above, and also addresses some peripheral issues. I will entertain questions and comments about any of these.
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Old 06-07-2013, 05:17 PM
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How I Would Change the PDGA

1) The PDGA would provide meaningful benefits for tournament directors, and for state coordinators.
2) A substantial portion (at least 50%) of the income (sanctioning fees, player fees and nonmember fees) from PDGA events would be left with the local communities and clubs.
3) There would be an Amateur Tour (a tour for Amateurs – not one in which Amateurs are manipulated to provide galleries and financial support for Open Pros).
4) There would be a Tour for older Pros.
5) The PDGA would make a serious effort to provide good value for recreational players.
6) Members would be told which delinquent TD’s are still being allowed to run events (ie, have not been suspended for nonpayment of fees).
7) There would be POY awards for all Pro divisions, and for major Amateur divisions.
8) There would be a mission effort (let’s call it “Marco Polo 2”) to the PDGA’s third world – our A, B, and C-Tier events.
9) International competition would include a “Culture Clash” component.
10) We would give away any grass-roots program that has as much potential to generate new members as the new League program.
11) No more “Vanity TV”, paid for by the entire membership. The rights to broadcast PDGA events would not be considered worthless. Independent producers would be encouraged.
12) Board members and officers would not be permitted to hide potential conflicts of interest from the members. Board members with conflict of interest issues would not be allowed to lobby the Board on their own behalf. And Board members whose terms expire would have to run for reelection, even if they had been appointed (especially if they had been appointed).
13) Tournament directors would no longer be required to pay exorbitant amounts of added cash to Pros in low-registration tournaments.
14) Hotel group commissions would revert to the PDGA members who stayed in the hotels, and not be pocketed by the PDGA.
15) Changing the Bylaws to allow appointed Board members was a bad idea, and should be undone.
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Old 06-07-2013, 05:36 PM
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Lots of good ideas, Mr. Shive! We need more people that understand a sport is grown from the bottom up and not the other way around. Get enough of the public interested and people will take notice.

Do you have any solutions to the dated standards that are in need of revision? I'm thinking possibly something with the equipment standards which have been so controversial over the last few months.
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Old 06-07-2013, 05:48 PM
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I can confidently say that, if I were a PDGA member, you'd be getting my vote. I'm glad to see that someone relatively inside the bubble can see that it needs to be popped and rebuilt. Good luck!
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Old 06-07-2013, 05:50 PM
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I think the PDGA needs to stop using and listening to the same consultants year after year. Get some new blood and ideas.
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How I Would Change the PDGA

1) The PDGA would provide meaningful benefits for tournament directors, and for state coordinators.
2) A substantial portion (at least 50%) of the income (sanctioning fees, player fees and nonmember fees) from PDGA events would be left with the local communities and clubs.
3) There would be an Amateur Tour (a tour for Amateurs – not one in which Amateurs are manipulated to provide galleries and financial support for Open Pros).
5) The PDGA would make a serious effort to provide good value for recreational players.
13) Tournament directors would no longer be required to pay exorbitant amounts of added cash to Pros in low-registration tournaments.
Those five points are awesome, especially number 3. As an amateur, I should not be raked over the coals to provide money for pros (and TDs shouldn't be either, like you say in 13). I do have a little addition to point 5. We do not necessarily need "added value" but the "same value" we are receiving now, with less out of our pockets. That's an odd way to word that since value is relative, but I imagine you all know what I mean.

I am rather disillusioned with the PDGA right now and probably won't be renewing this year. However, if these changes (and more changes that stop entitling pros at the expense of everyone else) go into effect, work, and stay in effect, I would definitely sign back up.
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Old 06-07-2013, 06:03 PM
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We need more people that understand a sport is grown from the bottom up and not the other way around.
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I'm glad to see that someone relatively inside the bubble can see that it needs to be popped and rebuilt.
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I think the PDGA needs to stop using and listening to the same consultants year after year. Get some new blood and ideas.
Sorry, had to repost and highlight some great points from other forum members.
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Old 06-07-2013, 06:06 PM
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I have a feeling that a lot of touring pros will not like these proposed changes. I however think that this will put the sport on the right track to future success.
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Old 06-07-2013, 06:11 PM
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shive, since i think you already are serving as member of the board, can you point to any actions you've already taken to attempt a move toward the goals you've listed here?
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I came to this sport from ultimate, and there's a significant difference between how the governing bodies for each sport promote youth and collegiate play. In ultimate, there are youth leagues or championships in about 40 states and nearly every university has a competitive, traveling club team. USAUltimate works hard to have tournaments organized throughout the fall and spring (with help from regional coordinators) to facilitate a meaningful regular season (e.g. qualifiers to the postseason) and then sectional, regional, and national tournaments. The best way to get more people involved and interested in DG is to sell it to the kids... if they're into it, their parents and friends will follow.

WRT the amateur tour, I would not bother watching career amateur players who just keep their rating at 969 for years (whether by design or actual skill peak). I would, however, love to see young, developing amateurs who are on the brink of moving up--it would be exciting to see the new faces who might be ready to challenge for the top spots in future years.
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