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Old 08-16-2013, 08:45 AM
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To whom exactly are you referring to as "little people"?
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Old 08-16-2013, 08:58 AM
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I've read your post and the board minutes several times and feel more upset with with every reading. Mostly i don't understand your timing and reasoning at all. You strive to be a voice for the little people of disc golf and yet in resigning right after being elected you have effectively squandered their vote and silenced the voice of those who elected you to the board. Providing a perspective the other board members may be ignoring or dismissing is of value whether your initiatives are passed in session or not. It seems far-fetched to believe that they will ask you to provide antithetical opinions once you are no longer on the board. I appreciate your service and wish you the best in other disc golf endeavors but i strongly disagree with the manner in which you carried out this decision.
I agree with this whole statement. And reminds me of something that happened in the past. I had hoped you had "matured" since then.
But I am curious what other dg related ventures you have going that would prompt you to slight those who voted for you.
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Old 08-16-2013, 09:03 AM
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The PDGA by laws allow for this.
....as they should. Who wants to hold a Special Election everytime there's a vacancy?
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Old 08-16-2013, 09:09 AM
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your timing is abominable.
I concur.

Mr. Shive, while I agree with many, if not most, of your proposals and positions, particularly your stance on conflicts of interest, I have to say that both the timing of your announcement and your recommendation that Mr. Sinclair be appointed to fill your seat raise serious questions, at least in my mind, about your respect for integrity of the election process, and, by implication, your professed love for the PDGA.

If you had serious qualms about your possible effectiveness going forward, the time to stand down was before, or during, the election, not after it. While standing down during the election would have been awkward for both you and the PDGA, it would have allowed the election to be rebooted.

By allowing the election run its course and now refusing to abide by the result, you're giving a big middle finger to the "little people" who elected you to represent them, and by recommending that the Board appoint Mr. Sinclair to fill the seat you vacated--ironic, especially given your past vocal opposition to the Board filling vacated seats-- including your own by appointment--you reinforce the perception of the PDGA as an "old boys" network and, more seriously, casts Mr. Sinclair under the cloud of being one of the "old boys."

As others have said, I appreciate your past service, but I strongly disagree with the timing and the manner in which you made your decision.

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Old 08-16-2013, 09:43 AM
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I'm not sure what to say. I'm gonna go with "weak sauce".
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Old 08-16-2013, 09:53 AM
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My reaction to reading this last Shive post was to loose a lot of respect for the man. I decided to sleep on it as I was brought up to respect my elders and people in authority and did not want to pop off something that I would later regret. Having slept on it, I still feel that way....in fact it is rubbing me worse.

It will take a lot of convincing to explain how you Peter, having already served on the BoD and knowing the entire lay of the land, did not know all of this before the election (only a few weeks back). Why did you not have the honor then to withdraw your name then? Instead, we see you jobbing the system and completely making a mockery of the biggest vehicle that most "little people" have to express their will for how their organization will serve their perceived needs.

This is "Chicago Politics". This seems to me much more about Shive serving Shive than Shive serving the greater good of the PDGA and the Sport of disc golf. I like the words he has articulated in hist posts here a lot, but actions speak much louder than words. And actions gain or loose respect much faster than words do.

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Old 08-16-2013, 10:06 AM
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Did Shawn take 3rd place in the election? That's the only reason I can see for appointing him over anyone else
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Old 08-16-2013, 10:07 AM
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Did Shawn take 3rd place in the election? That's the only reason I can see for appointing him over anyone else
Yes, he finished third.

It's the most logical and fair choice.
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Old 08-16-2013, 10:36 AM
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The PDGA by laws allow for this.
Not entirely. The by-laws allow for the BOD to elect a replacement. While logic says they will elect the next high vote-getter, in theory, they can elect whomever they choose. (At least that is how I read it.)

3.11 VACANCIES. Any vacancy occurring in the Board of Directors or in a directorship to be filled by reason of an increase in the number of Directors, may be filled by the Directors. A Director elected to fill a vacancy shall be elected for the unexpired term of his predecessor in office.
3.12 RESIGNATION AND REMOVAL. Any Director of the Corporation may resign at any time by giving written notice to the President or the Secretary of the Corporation. The resignation of any Director shall take effect upon receipt of notice thereof or at such later time as shall be specified in such notice; and, unless otherwise specified therein, the acceptance of such resignation shall not be necessary to make it effective. When one or more Directors shall resign from the Board, effective at a future date, a majority of the Directors then in office, including those who have so resigned, shall have power to fill such vacancy or vacancies, the results of the vote thereon to take effect when such resignation or resignations shall become effective. Any Board member may be removed, with or without cause, upon the unanimous affirmative vote of the entire Board of Directors. In addition, the Board shall cause a vote of the members to be held to recall any Director upon the written petition of not less than ten percent (10%) of the Active members calling for such vote. In the event of a vote of the members regarding the recall of a Director, the proposed change shall be approved upon the affirmative vote of not less than sixty-six percent (66%) of participating voting members.


Mr. Shive, this is really poor timing and a bonehead move. That's all I will say, because everything else has been said.
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Not entirely. The by-laws allow for the BOD to elect a replacement. While logic says they will elect the next high vote-getter, in theory, they can elect whomever they choose. (At least that is how I read it.)

3.11 VACANCIES. Any vacancy occurring in the Board of Directors or in a directorship to be filled by reason of an increase in the number of Directors, may be filled by the Directors. A Director elected to fill a vacancy shall be elected for the unexpired term of his predecessor in office.
3.12 RESIGNATION AND REMOVAL. Any Director of the Corporation may resign at any time by giving written notice to the President or the Secretary of the Corporation. The resignation of any Director shall take effect upon receipt of notice thereof or at such later time as shall be specified in such notice; and, unless otherwise specified therein, the acceptance of such resignation shall not be necessary to make it effective. When one or more Directors shall resign from the Board, effective at a future date, a majority of the Directors then in office, including those who have so resigned, shall have power to fill such vacancy or vacancies, the results of the vote thereon to take effect when such resignation or resignations shall become effective. Any Board member may be removed, with or without cause, upon the unanimous affirmative vote of the entire Board of Directors. In addition, the Board shall cause a vote of the members to be held to recall any Director upon the written petition of not less than ten percent (10%) of the Active members calling for such vote. In the event of a vote of the members regarding the recall of a Director, the proposed change shall be approved upon the affirmative vote of not less than sixty-six percent (66%) of participating voting members.


Mr. Shive, this is really poor timing and a bonehead move. That's all I will say, because everything else has been said.
Correct - I was responding to criticism that the PDGA would appoint someone, which they are allowed to do.

Peter is simply recommending Shawn and due to him finishing 3rd, I feel that is the fairest nomination. However, they do have the power to choose anyone.
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