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Old 06-10-2013, 11:08 AM
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Shawn,
On the platform stated above and what i know of you as a player and a person you would get my vote. Thanks for coming on here and sharing your views and interacting with this forum.
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Old 06-10-2013, 11:17 AM
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same thing as DJ, don't see the point in renewing for $75 if i'm not playing tournaments. i would rather invest the money in my local club for course improvements.
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Old 06-10-2013, 11:31 AM
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I would like to see ALL TDs treated the same. Not the "high dollar" TDs getting away with murder while small time TDs cant get the help they should from the PDGA. I've told you this before, but it is my BIGGEST gripe. If the PDGA is going to bend over for HDs, they should do the same for me. If all the PDGA is about is $$$$, they should be a corporation.
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Old 06-10-2013, 11:45 AM
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I would like to see ALL TDs treated the same. Not the "high dollar" TDs getting away with murder while small time TDs cant get the help they should from the PDGA. I've told you this before, but it is my BIGGEST gripe. If the PDGA is going to bend over for HDs, they should do the same for me. If all the PDGA is about is $$$$, they should be a corporation.
I've never seen this.

Examples?
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Old 06-10-2013, 11:47 AM
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I believe Membership should be tiered. The USGA does this.

I'm the bottom level member of them and I get a bag tag, a US Open hat and a US Open preview magazine. But I don't get to play in USGA events.

I've never liked that the PDGA membership is basically the same thing for the guy who says "yeah I don't play PDGA events, but I'll support the org" and the guy who plays 30 events a year.
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Old 06-10-2013, 12:56 PM
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_MTL_ the example from my end is when 2 years ago I ran a C-Tier, submitted the report on time, and paid all fees on time. However, it was pointed out from a former PDGA player that I had made a mistake on the report. I had listed the wrong scores for 1 card on the second round. I wrote the PDGA and informed of this mistake 4 times listing everything that needed to be changed. The PDGA changed the report all 4 times incorrectly. All within the the time required for my report to be filed. I wont throw dirt the other way and give an example of the negative side of my comment. Mr. Sinclair knows my point as I have discussed it with him.
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Old 06-10-2013, 12:58 PM
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_MTL_ the example from my end is when 2 years ago I ran a C-Tier, submitted the report on time, and paid all fees on time. However, it was pointed out from a former PDGA player that I had made a mistake on the report. I had listed the wrong scores for 1 card on the second round. I wrote the PDGA and informed of this mistake 4 times listing everything that needed to be changed. The PDGA changed the report all 4 times incorrectly. All within the the time required for my report to be filed. I wont throw dirt the other way and give an example of the negative side of my comment. Mr. Sinclair knows my point as I have discussed it with him.
Thanks for the information. I fail to see how this proves your point of favortism towards certain TDs and rather think it was just a combo of multiple human errors.
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Old 06-10-2013, 07:30 PM
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Great feedback thank you and keep it coming.

I did a quick google search and found the following information on other athletic associations and their memberships. ***Disclaimer I don't know anything about any of these organization so if any of the information looks incorrect please chime in. This is merely what I found on each associations website. All of these association offer different benefits for joining. All of them are very similar to the PDGA. However two things are clear, most charge less than the PDGA and the same price for am or pros. One thing to note is that with some of these organization there is a big difference between the tournament player and the elite player. Example is the USGA and the PGA tour player or the USBC and the PBA tour player.

USA Triathlon $45 am and pro.
USGA (Golf) $20 just to be a member.
USATT (Table Tennis) $49 am or pro.
USBC (Bowling) $36 for sport $21 for standard.
AMA (Motocross) $49 for supporting and racer.
USMS (Swimming) $43 to be a member.
USATF (Track and Field) $30 am or pro.

Here it the breakdown for the PDGA 2012:
Pros 3965 x $75 = $297,376
Amateurs 13207 x $50 = $660,350
Juniors 917 x $30 = $27,510
Total membership income = $985,236

That is a large chunk of the PDGA operating budget.

So what is the trade off if we introduce a supporting only membership $20, then reduce the membership fees down to say...$35 for everyone? That's a $350,000 + hit! We would need +/- 13,000 additional members.

Would that entice more of you non-members to join?
Would there be a significant number of new members to offset the loss of revenue?
Is the magazine of any value? It costs the PDGA $155,000 a year plus shipping to produce. We already have pdga.com which is an online magazine. Which by the way anyone can submit a story or video.
What benefits would you want to make it worthwhile for you to join?
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Old 06-10-2013, 07:42 PM
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Here is another interesting membership issue, retention. Where are they going and how do we keep them?

PDGA # 2012 2013 % change
19001 - 20000 161 160 0.6%
20001 - 21000 151 167 -9.6%
21001 - 22000 172 173 -0.6%
22001 - 23000 183 188 -2.7%
23001 - 24000 159 184 -13.6%
24001 - 25000 177 201 -11.9%
25001 - 26000 209 239 -12.6%
26001 - 27000 216 248 -12.9%
27001 - 28000 221 248 -10.9%
28001 - 29000 236 284 -16.9%
29001 - 30000 237 291 -18.6%
30001 - 31000 214 238 -10.1%
31001- 32000 235 284 -17.3%
32001 - 33000 256 301 -15.0%
33001 - 34000 287 335 -14.3%
34001 - 35000 340 414 -17.9%
35001 - 36000 321 380 -15.5%
36001 - 37000 293 350 -16.3%
37001 - 38000 315 380 -17.1%
38001 - 39000 351 429 -18.2%
39001 - 40000 299 382 -21.7%
40001 - 41000 314 406 -22.7%
41001 - 42000 384 496 -22.6%
42001 - 43000 426 544 -21.7%
43001 - 44000 419 524 -20.0%
44001 - 45000 403 521 -22.6%
45001 - 46000 463 735 -37.0%
46001 - 47000 557 990 -43.7%
47001 - 48000 545 988 -44.8%
48001 - 49000 513 965 -46.8%
49001 - 50000 535 941 -43.1%
50001 - 51000 862 1037 -16.9%
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Old 06-10-2013, 07:56 PM
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