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Old 07-18-2013, 03:53 PM
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I would think this could be applied to Mandos as well. I'm certainly no expert, but...
I don't think basing SSE's on hole by hole data is feasible. I think you'd just have a generic OB/Water descriptor for the course as a whole; admittedly less accurate, but much more feasible to execute, based on my very limited knowledge of how the site and the ratings work.

But I'm fully prepared to acept things "as is," with the caveat that, some courses simply don't fit the model (i.e. course difficulty is <> the ∑ of (course descriptor + distance).
I agree hole by hole data would be too difficult, that was the point of the simple calculation to bring the hole by hole data into one number that rates the course.
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Old 07-25-2013, 03:11 PM
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I just submitted a couple of rounds at Hyland Ski and boy are the ratings off. I have no idea why.
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Old 07-25-2013, 03:32 PM
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What should the rating have been in your opinion? Do you have any data for actual round ratings and SSAs at that course?
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Old 07-25-2013, 03:35 PM
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I just submitted a couple of rounds at Hyland Ski and boy are the ratings off. I have no idea why.

What seems off? You think the SSE's low?

Because your ratings seem sort of sensible given the SSE.

What's the SSE? 48.5 for 6345 feet or so (18 holes). It is interesting that the course average is 17 strokes higher than the SSE. That's probably a little further off than some courses.

I don't have enough intuition for the SSE formula to comment on its value for this course...
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Old 07-25-2013, 04:12 PM
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What seems off? You think the SSE's low?

Because your ratings seem sort of sensible given the SSE.

What's the SSE? 48.5 for 6345 feet or so (18 holes). It is interesting that the course average is 17 strokes higher than the SSE. That's probably a little further off than some courses.

I don't have enough intuition for the SSE formula to comment on its value for this course...
From the photos of that course, I think the 'lightly wooded' descriptor is a little suspect in terms of ratings, yes. About half the holes are definitely really open.. but the other half are pretty tight with what looks like really thick rough. If those who know the course well are comfortable with switching the course to 'moderately wooded', it would likely help the SSE.. but timg has requested that we not just change that field to fix SSE problems.

Otherwise, yes, this is a course for which the SSE formulas might just not work well for. :P
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Old 07-25-2013, 06:33 PM
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Hyland also has a huge amount of elevation changes, which can make the accuracy go down on the downhill holes and the effective length go up on the uphill holes. You could make an argument for lightly or moderately wooded, it probably falls between those two.
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Old 07-26-2013, 12:50 AM
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Can anyone explain why Sunset Park in Vegas' SSE is so high?
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Old 07-26-2013, 08:06 AM
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71ish for 24 holes is equivalent to 53ish for 18 holes. That doesn't seem out of line for the given hole lengths, in general.

The photos indicate multiple pin positions, which aren't covered in the hole-by-hole -- unless the hole-by-hole is updated every time the pins are.

From the photos, "moderately wooded" might be a slight stretch.
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Old 07-26-2013, 08:54 AM
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Sunset is nowhere near moderately wooded except in comparison to the desert around Vegas. That should definitely be lightly wooded.
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Old 07-26-2013, 09:00 AM
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Changed it to lightly wooded... 3 trees does not a moderately wooded course make.
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