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Old 07-12-2013, 09:47 AM
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I'd be interested in hearing how you think there's more of an entitlement mentality in the am side of the sport than in the pros where it's expected that money will be taken from the am side of the tournament and TDs will spend volunteer time drumming up sponsorship money to pay them to play a game.
Honestly, this is one of the most incorrect / ignorant things I've read on this board in a long time.

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Old 07-12-2013, 10:41 AM
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Honestly, this is one of the most incorrect / ignorant things I've read on this board in a long time. Mashnut is correct. You are wrong.....and you of all people know much better than to be this wrong and a simple concept.

Pro's expect there to be the payout at the minimum at the levels the PDGA specifies. The payout percentages are higher on the Pro side.....and the cost to the TD to accomplish this on the Pro side is higher.

Where does that money come from? It either comes from volunteers beating the bushes for donations from sponsors, or the club/TD sponsors it.

And, the club/TD makes money off of the wholesale/retail markup on the Am side. That is their money to do with as they please.....and usually/often they use it to cover tournament expenses so they can meet the expectations of the PDGA and the tournament participants.

Above and beyond playing for other competitors' cash, what do Pro's do to earn the money they make? What services do they render to the tournament that deserves compensation?

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Old 07-12-2013, 11:35 AM
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Honestly, this is one of the most incorrect / ignorant things I've read on this board in a long time. Mashnut is correct. You are wrong.....and you of all people know much better than to be this wrong and a simple concept.
After reading Mashnut's statement again more closely, I have to apologize to you MTL since he was not accurate. He should have said:

it's expected that money will be taken from the am side of the tournament and/or TDs will spend volunteer time drumming up sponsorship money
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Old 07-12-2013, 11:36 AM
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NO!!!

There is NOT an expectation to take money from ams and put it to pros!!

That is LAUGHABLE!!!

I have some of the best payouts in NC and I don't take money from ams and apply to pros EVER!! I apply profits that normally I would keep since I bought the discs that are being used.

I've NEVER seen an event where part of am entry went to pros. NEVER. NEVER. NEVER. NEVER. And I've played in and ran more tournaments that almost everyone on this board.
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Old 07-12-2013, 11:39 AM
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Answer me one question regarding added cash.

How can someone / a club argue about meeting the minimum cash standards when they choose which tier to make their event AND one of the choices is no added cash?!?!?!?

It blows my mind how DUMB people are.
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Old 07-12-2013, 11:40 AM
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NO!!!

There is NOT an expectation to take money from ams and put it to pros!!

That is LAUGHABLE!!!

I have some of the best payouts in NC and I don't take money from ams and apply to pros EVER!! I apply profits that normally I would keep since I bought the discs that are being used.

I've NEVER seen an event where part of am entry went to pros. NEVER. NEVER. NEVER. NEVER. And I've played in and ran more tournaments that almost everyone on this board.
MTL,

You're making a semantic argument here. Equate money and time, and track its flow across the whole event. Could you operate the events that you do if you were forced to list AM scrip/players pack/merchandise value at wholesale? If yes, I can agree with your statement.
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MTL,

You're making a semantic argument here. Equate money and time, and track its flow across the whole event. Could you operate the events that you do if you were forced to list AM scrip/players pack/merchandise value at wholesale? If yes, I can agree with your statement.
Absolutely I could.

I have raised $1,300 for my event next weekend that was 100% donations and has nothing to do with profits. That money literally took me about 5 minutes to raise. Heck, $300 of it was given to me and I didn't ask for it. I understand this isn't the norm, but I run a quality event with players from all over and sponsors jump all over it.

Now, would my events have lower payouts? Of course, but it wouldn't affect the tier or the amount of money I added.
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But even so, my player packs have the following:

Dri Fit shirt
Custom stamped Champion Disc.

The shirt costs me about $14 per. The disc costs me about $8 per. The vlaue on those is roughly $40 combined. $22 is the minimum I can remove from entry and $40 is the max. I will take probably around $30.

That's still a heck of a deal and then is added cash of $10 per player in the am field.

Welcome to the basics of how to run a good event. I'll be here forever.
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I apply profits that normally I would keep since I bought the discs that are being used.
How much money have you personally made and kept by buying discs at wholesale and selling them at a higher price? Do you have a Tax ID? What is the company name?

If you are like the vast vast majority of TDs (and clubs), you are being disingenuous in your statement since you normally do not keep your profits.....you plow that money back into the events you run.
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How much money have you personally made and kept by buying discs at wholesale and selling them at a higher price? Do you have a Tax ID? What is the company name?

If you are like the vast vast majority of TDs (and clubs), you are being disingenuous in your statement since you normally do not keep your profits.....you plow that money back into the events you run.
How is that disingenuous?

People understand what a no profit event means. It means that all profit is applied to payout. And that's not 100% pros, either.

This is literally pissing me off. I don't like my character being questioned especially when it comes to money and events.

Ask ANYONE who has played one of my events and see if they think I'm not honest with money.
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