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Old 08-20-2013, 07:53 AM
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888 is BS. People who leave for legitimate reasons have been hit with the 888 and it will continue to happen. It's a heavy handed non-solution for an insignificant "problem."
Examples? Meaning real examples that aren't your own minor brush with an inadvertent 888 that had already been retracted before you decided to bring all kinds of attention to it.

Please post a link or two to results that a) have an 888 in them and b) you know that the 888 was undeserved. The code has been in place for only a few months...I have a hard time believing there are already numerous "innocent" victims of this heavy handed "non-solution".
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Old 08-20-2013, 08:08 AM
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Examples? Meaning real examples that aren't your own minor brush with an inadvertent 888 that had already been retracted before you decided to bring all kinds of attention to it.

Please post a link or two to results that a) have an 888 in them and b) you know that the 888 was undeserved. The code has been in place for only a few months...I have a hard time believing there are already numerous "innocent" victims of this heavy handed "non-solution".
I have a hard time believing that this hand is heavy.

What's an 888 instead of a 999? A slight, temporary dip in player rating, not affecting division eligibility? For heavy-handed, that's a pretty light punishment.
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Old 08-20-2013, 08:31 AM
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It's really only a slap on one's ego.
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Old 08-20-2013, 09:19 AM
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As a TD, I've made and corrected far more mistakes, of greater consequence, than any erroneous 888 code.
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Old 08-20-2013, 11:19 AM
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I don't think the 888 is a sufficient deterrent to ratings manipulation and it doesn't seem to be that prevalent of a problem.

Judging from what most TD's in here are saying, it is rarely being used for what it is intended to do. It looks as if they are applying it to people who really don't care about their ratings enough to stop their behavior.

Clearly, people leaving during a round or between rounds is a pain in the rear when running a tournament but I just don't see why an 888 is going to stop them from doing that.

Anyone who wants to manipulate their rating simply has to tell the TD they can't continue due to an injury. A sociopath like that isn't going to bat an eye about lying to someone.

Unfortunately, I don't see an easy solution to getting people from leaving at inconvenient times. It isn't just a problem in disc golf. Setting up more draconian rules isn't going to help grow the organization. It is simply a problem that will always exist.
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Old 08-20-2013, 11:22 AM
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You guys seem to forget that multiple 888s on a player is grounds for disciplinary action. It is much more than a temporary dip in a player's rating.

I don't see what the big inconvenience is to a TD if someone quits mid round. I especially don't see the the point in saddling players with multiple 888s for DNFing in the first round, as was apparently done at Am World Doubles. How is it that quitting during the first round is insufficient notice that the player will not show up for the second and third rounds?

I still think it is inevitable that some more players will get hit with the 888 without just cause, and I have yet to see any evidence that the 888 is doing anything to alter the behavior of problem players.

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Old 08-20-2013, 11:44 AM
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I didn't forget it. I'm skeptical that any one person will accumulate enough false 888s, and the PDGA will actually take punitive action, for it to be an issue. One 888 could be a TD error but if someone gets a bunch of them, I'm inclined to believe the problem is with the player.
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Old 08-20-2013, 11:47 AM
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I don't see what the big inconvenience is to a TD if someone quits mid round. I especially don't see the the point in saddling players with multiple 888s for DNFing in the first round, as was apparently done at Am World Doubles. How is it that quitting during the first round is insufficient notice that the player will not show up for the second and third rounds?
I agree with that part (though I don't know the details). Clearly no one's quitting a doubles round to protect their rating, and there's not much inconvenience to a TD to quit mid-round. Did both doubles partners quit, leaving another doubles team to play un-escorted or to find another card to join?
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Old 08-20-2013, 11:54 AM
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You guys seem to forget that multiple 888s on a player is grounds for disciplinary action. It is much more than a temporary dip in a player's rating.

I don't see what the big inconvenience is to a TD if someone quits mid round. I especially don't see the the point in saddling players with multiple 888s for DNFing in the first round, as was apparently done at Am World Doubles. How is it that quitting during the first round is insufficient notice that the player will not show up for the second and third rounds?

I still think it is inevitable that some more players will get hit with the 888 without just cause, and I have yet to see any evidence that the 888 is doing anything to alter the behavior of problem players.
you just don't understand cause you have never TD'd a disc golf event. and only until you do that, no matter what experience you have in any other sporting event that you have ran...I mean this is disc golf unique in every way and nothing else could possibly be similar...
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Old 08-20-2013, 12:10 PM
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I've TD'd events with 500+ competitors. Participants not showing up is not a big deal because it is simply head-to-head competition and the players get the forfeit win/loss depending on the side of the table.

A golf type event where someone not showing up causes delays for the rest of the field is a different story.

On another note, I have had a player with two back-to-back weeks of 888. Said player decided to not putt out on last hole. So yes, I have seen at least one player quitting most likely to protect their rating.
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