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Old 09-18-2013, 07:02 PM
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Adding power / test of theory

About me-RHBH, 34 Y/O, 5-10" 205Lbs., 20+ Years of experience, Casual player, Rating 950ish (no pdga rating)


Problem - Bad Technique = Crappy power

I have several RHBH throw problems

1.) Not enough reach/turn back

2.) Early acceleration and slippage (slip outs)

3.) No Snap

4.) Poor weight transfer, lower body motion

Solution - So I had the idea today how to improve my bad technique and add power. My solution is to relearn the throwing motion using a 2.5 pound iron plate weight power throw everyday for 15 minutes over one month starting today.

Baseline Current AVG Distances on flat ground no wind (Non internet inflated)-

171 Pro Rhyno-240'

176 KC Roc-270'

175 Star Teebird-290'

Furthest MAX D throw- 350' with a 150 Blizzard DD2


First session- Started out warming up and struggled to throw it initially because of the weight and slickness. I over accelerated and it slipped right out. First few throws were going about 40 feet. Over the session the weight really forced me to use my leg and hips power and gradually accelerate it into the throw. By the end of the session I was throwing it 65 feet. Smooth power from the ground up. Did not get a chance to throw any discs yet, hopefully tomorrow.

Results-So far so good. To throw the 2.5 pound weight far I had to use the entire turn back, weight shift and smooth acceleration to maximize the power.

Side note- Looked up discus throws just for kicks. They throw a 4.4 pound discus and the world record is 245 feet!!! That is freakin NUTS!!!
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Old 09-18-2013, 07:16 PM
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So you're throwing a weighted discus?
Interesting...
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Old 09-18-2013, 07:21 PM
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So you're throwing a weighted discus?
Interesting...
No its a iron plate weight. 2.5 pounds. Let me try and find a pic.

http://images.search.yahoo.com/image...O&fr=yfp-t-900
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Old 09-18-2013, 07:51 PM
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I'm still intrigued.
Devil's advocate - What is this doing to your shoulder?
Are you gonna end up with one huge arm?

*not discounting your theory*
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Old 09-18-2013, 08:46 PM
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I'll never presume to give advice on form, lest someone unveil a video of me.

But.

You might consider whether the problems are strength, or timing. Because throwing a weight isn't likely to help with your timing, and may throw it off even more.
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Old 09-18-2013, 08:49 PM
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I love this idea. I really need help with everything myself. I'm a total noob myself and struggle to get beyond 250' honestly. I'm really trying to anchor down some good form but working the muscles at the same time sounds like added bonus.
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Old 09-18-2013, 08:51 PM
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I'll never presume to give advice on form, lest someone unveil a video of me.

But.

You might consider whether the problems are strength, or timing. Because throwing a weight isn't likely to help with your timing, and may throw it off even more.
I would agree. Muscle power is the least important part of the throw, it can add a little bit to an already good throw but it's way less important than proper form and timing. It also makes you go a lot slower so you're not getting the quick acceleration you want in a disc golf throw.

On top of all that, it seems likely to stretch/pull/tear something in your shoulder or arm. If you want to work those muscles, go to the gym and use those cable cross machines.
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Old 09-18-2013, 09:23 PM
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I'm still intrigued.
Devil's advocate - What is this doing to your shoulder?
Are you gonna end up with one huge arm?

*not discounting your theory*
I found it working my lower body more really.

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I'll never presume to give advice on form, lest someone unveil a video of me.

But.

You might consider whether the problems are strength, or timing. Because throwing a weight isn't likely to help with your timing, and may throw it off even more.
I agree that timing is more important and this may not help with timing and even hurt it. I plan to do field work along with playing as well during the time to try and advance my technique.

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I love this idea. I really need help with everything myself. I'm a total noob myself and struggle to get beyond 250' honestly. I'm really trying to anchor down some good form but working the muscles at the same time sounds like added bonus.
I'm very intrigued myself. The extra weight forces me to slow down and work the lower body to get power. Still a theory at this time we will see over the month if it improves my distance and technique/timing.

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I would agree. Muscle power is the least important part of the throw, it can add a little bit to an already good throw but it's way less important than proper form and timing. It also makes you go a lot slower so you're not getting the quick acceleration you want in a disc golf throw.

On top of all that, it seems likely to stretch/pull/tear something in your shoulder or arm. If you want to work those muscles, go to the gym and use those cable cross machines.
I initially was worried about hurting myself but the weight is really not so excessive that throwing it strained me too much. One of my issues is going to fast too early, this forces me to slow down and gradually accelerate. At least get the feeling of how the muscles should work. How well this translates into my technique we'll see.
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Old 09-18-2013, 09:38 PM
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I doubt there's much injury danger, and strengthening those muscle can't hurt, and will probably help a little.

But if you get your timing right with a weight, when you drop down to disc weight you might find your motion gets speeded up, with poor results.
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I'll never presume to give advice on form, lest someone unveil a video of me.

But.

You might consider whether the problems are strength, or timing. Because throwing a weight isn't likely to help with your timing, and may throw it off even more.
I'm down with this.

I can't count how many times I've said "Ugh, I put too much arm into that one" (and I'm not a strong dude in the least - 5' 8" 170 lbs - little guy) when referring to a drive both RHBH and RHFH.

It's about timing and using your body almost as a catapult to get the disc out of your hand.
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