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Old 11-04-2013, 07:42 AM
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Commentary is dangerous. Commentary is not easy. Don't American Idol yourself (you know, those people who think they can sing then try out and get laughed off the stage...). That's the best advice I could give. If you do decide to go this route with an amateur broadcaster...please please please don't wing it. Go through the cut, write a script, make notes, do multiple takes. Don't do it in a half hour in your basement while the washer and dryer are running.
Couldn't have said it better myself. If you're adding commentary to an edited piece, absolutely have notes on what to say even if you don't script every word. Keep it short and to the point as much as possible, and avoid being overly repetitive.

I think that's the crux of the big complaints about live commentary (i.e. the USDGC comments earlier). They're more or less flying blind on live coverage, seeing it at the same time we see it, and not having any opportunity to think about or prepare what they will say. That kind of situation is ripe for mistakes, repetition and incoherent rambling. There's really no excuse for that on an edited piece.

My advice is go light on commentary (add details that aren't apparent, don't narrate actions that are obvious on screen), leave natural sound in as much as possible, and utilize on-screen graphics to identify players, hole #s, distances, scores, etc. The players on screen are the "stars" of the show, don't overshadow them.
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Old 11-04-2013, 07:55 AM
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1. Show hole number and distance
2. Just leave audio from the play
3. Show scores after each hole
4. DONT show short TAP IN putts
5. Thanks for creating it!!!
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Old 11-04-2013, 08:34 AM
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1. Show hole number and distance
2. Just leave audio from the play
3. Show scores after each hole
4. DONT show short TAP IN putts
5. Thanks for creating it!!!
Another Winner!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What he said....
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Old 11-04-2013, 08:43 AM
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Real audio trumps music, alwaysssssss me boy.
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Old 11-04-2013, 10:25 AM
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To Zoom or not to Zoom. That is the question!

Be careful with the zoom button. This is one area where I see so many film makers ruin a good shot. The zoom button is a great option but use it wisely.
Common misconception: You must use the zoom button on every shot! False! Take your finger off the button from time to time to break up the movement some. Zooming in on your subject makes it more difficult to keep the camera steady & all the extra movement & shaking makes your film looks like a Blair Witch project!
Some basic tips:
Dont zoom too much! Nothing makes me more nauseous than having the video zooming in & out on every single shot! Leave the button alone once in a while & take in the overall surrounding view!
Dont zoom too quick! Please let me see the flight of the disc (a novel concept I know ). Show patience & wait for the disc to come out of the throwers hand before you try to zoom in on the disc/basket/etc.
Dont zoom too close! Again, stay back a ways so I can see the flight of the disc!
Some videos never use the zoom button & this is not good either. Use it to follow the flight of the disc. Dont get too close or stay back so far away that you cant see anything past the tee pad!
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Old 11-04-2013, 10:26 AM
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Thanks for all the input so far. It sounds like VERY limited commentary and more (but limited) play by play is what people prefer. I agree with JC and that's why I pointed out the USDGC coverage. It became very repetitive in the commentary side. If they had switched to a more play calling nature it would have added more to the broadcast .

JT: I love going through the SpinTV website. Between what you guys have starting doing and Bobby (CoolDaddySlickBreeze) has made over the years it's made me want to get out and film more of the events in my area.
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Old 11-04-2013, 10:31 AM
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The zooming isn't an issue. The camera I used off of the tee is Nikon D600. I found from experience that it's better to leave it alone. Mainly, it has no zoom button. I have to do the zoom and the focus manually to get any consistency and even then it's near impossible. That's why I had someone down hole with a Canon Vixia to catch the landing. I even told him the same thing after I saw his practice video the day before. Stay wide as much as possible, use the monopod to keep steady, and stick with the left/right panning more than up and down. I was surprised at how quick he caught on and just how good of quality that cheap camcorder produced.
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Old 11-04-2013, 10:39 AM
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Use music.
If you add commentary, make sure it's funny.
Get some of the pros to participate in some on film shenanigans.
That is all.
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Old 11-04-2013, 10:40 AM
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Short intro at the beginning.
Hole info for each hole
show each shot (except drop-in puts)
Show running score and score of previous hole
Little/no commentary is easiest to pull off.

Bonus:
Use text to mention OB throws/mandos etc
Get some funny audio from around the teebox
Multiple camera angles are nice
1 'best shot of the round' type replay (ESPN style)
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Old 11-04-2013, 10:49 AM
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I did stick around to film the "ace in the oaks" after the round. Everything is 220' or less and there are mobs of 10-15 people on each hole. As much as I wanted to do humorous commentary for the actual round footage I think I'll stick with the play calling and limited talking. For the Ace in the Oaks though I was thinking along the lines of "Wipeout" dialog. Which, in my opinion, has some of the best commentary on tv today.
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