Hucker Magazine

[scarpfish]

After seeing a number of people get burned with Flying Disc Magazine, I sure hope that history isn't repeating itself.

 

[AndyJB]

I wrote an article for the first issue, as well as contributing to several other articles and doing a bunch of editing. I'm in the dark as well. Haven't heard from them in about a month. The first issue will definitely come out, that I can assure you.

Beyond that, I have no clue.

 

[Slider]

Has anyone heard from Hucker Magazine? I paid more than $50 for some stuff including a subscription. Imagine if they did that for a hundred people, that would be $5,000 just like that. They said they had more than 500 or so. So that would be about $25,000 just for that.

 

[JC17393]

Caveat emptor, folks, caveat emptor.

Not saying it doesn't suck for those that paid money and as of yet have received nothing, but still, caveat emptor.

 

[Slider]

Caveat emptor, folks, caveat emptor.

Not saying it doesn't suck for those that paid money and as of yet have received nothing, but still, caveat emptor.

you say caveat emptor...I say thief as defined by google.

THIEF:
a person who steals another person's property, esp. by stealth and without using force or violence.

 

[scarpfish]

Thing is, to truly be a thief, you have to steal with the intention of stealing. What we likely have here is (much like FDM before it) an undercapitalized venture that would likely prefer do its "investors" good, if not for some cash flow problems.

I sort of remember a similar issue with Grip EQ bags when they first came out. Now they're the bees knees. Hopefully, this magazine will have a similar story, but considering its a print publication, I'm not holding my breath.

 

[JC17393]

you say caveat emptor...I say thief as defined by google.

THIEF:
a person who steals another person's property, esp. by stealth and without using force or violence.

By no means am I trying to defend the people behind this magazine thing. But I also have a hard time generating too much sympathy for people who gave money to what appeared from the outset to be a fly-by-night disorganized venture (called it as much back when this thread started).

 

[B3NDER]

Somewhere this guy is out throwing all his new plastic that he's storing in his Brand new Mahal/Grip bag.

 

[Slider]

Thing is, to truly be a thief, you have to steal with the intention of stealing. What we likely have here is (much like FDM before it) an undercapitalized venture that would likely prefer do its "investors" good, if not for some cash flow problems.

I sort of remember a similar issue with Grip EQ bags when they first came out. Now they're the bees knees. Hopefully, this magazine will have a similar story, but considering its a print publication, I'm not holding my breath.

Maybe that is the case...hopefully. I love disc golf like you do. They need to provide an update or it leaves many thinking the worst of the situation.

As for defining it by having the intention of stealing. I respectfully disagree, they might not have had the intention, but the action itself says what it is. They took my money and never provided anything as agreed upon. I want them to be sucessful like any other disc golf outfit out there, but if they don't provide on what they agreed upon, they defrauded the disc golf community. They either give back their money or be considered thieves. Sounds a little stealthy and disengenious.

Like I said, I hope they do provide me with their products and services, I really want to read their magazine and get my tee shirt and hoodie. That sounds wonderful. I hope I am wrong in this accusation, but they haven't responded to many.

Let say this, no response, no reimbursement, no products sent speaks for itself. Give us an update. Know what I mean?

 

[Slider]

By no means am I trying to defend the people behind this magazine thing. But I also have a hard time generating too much sympathy for people who gave money to what appeared from the outset to be a fly-by-night disorganized venture (called it as much back when this thread started).

Lets just say you defended them. When I first saw Avery Jenkins on their cover, it didn't occur to me that someone would use Avery's image to defraud the disc golf community in general. This is still fraud. You can rationalize it all you want, you can call them a "fly-by-night disorganized venture" to feel better about what happened, but their actions whomever they are, still stand as who they are in this situation. They essentially took people's money and made empty promises. I wouldn't dumb this down if I were you, call it as it is. If anyone took your money no matter what the "appearance" is, you would be a little upset and you wouldn't settle for calling it a "fly-by" venture.

Fraud occurs all the time with big businesses all the time. It can happen to you also, I don't buy into things I feel are hokie pokie myself, and again, they successfully stole people's money if they don't produce what they promised.

A thief is a thief is a thief. Call it what it is.

 

[zenbot]

I figure if I get the shirt I've spent my money well.

I still have my shirt. Not sure where I put my poster.

 

[JC17393]

Lets just say you defended them. When I first saw Avery Jenkins on their cover, it didn't occur to me that someone would use Avery's image to defraud the disc golf community in general. This is still fraud. You can rationalize it all you want, you can call them a "fly-by-night disorganized venture" to feel better about what happened, but their actions whomever they are, still stand as who they are in this situation. They essentially took people's money and made empty promises. I wouldn't dumb this down if I were you, call it as it is. If anyone took your money no matter what the "appearance" is, you would be a little upset and you wouldn't settle for calling it a "fly-by" venture.

Fraud occurs all the time with big businesses all the time. It can happen to you also, I don't buy into things I feel are hokie pokie myself, and again, they successfully stole people's money if they don't produce what they promised.

A thief is a thief is a thief. Call it what it is.

Again, I am not defending them. If they promised something and didn't come through on it, they're wrong. But that doesn't make those that gave them money helpless victims, which is my point. No one held a gun to anyone else's head demanding money. People freely gave money to an unproven company with no tangible product. IMO, there's an inherent risk involved in putting money into something like that.

So I'll call it what it is...you got suckered.

 

[Slider]

Again, I am not defending them. If they promised something and didn't come through on it, they're wrong. But that doesn't make those that gave them money helpless victims, which is my point. No one held a gun to anyone else's head demanding money. People freely gave money to an unproven company with no tangible product. IMO, there's an inherent risk involved in putting money into something like that.

So I'll call it what it is...you got suckered.

You don't need to hold a gun to someone's head to steal something...here is the definition from Google:
a person who steals another person's property, esp. by stealth and without using force or violence.

Lets hear this out...."they're wrong"...but...but...but you are not actually a "helpless victim" in this case, they "didn't hold a gun to your head". Thieves don't need to hold guns to peoples heads, look up the definition. Its a fraud and they are thieves.

Definition includes "without force or violence."

This is trulely a leagal case of fraud. They made "agreements" to provide a service and products. That is a fact. I am not going to be launching a lawsuite of any sort, but trust me, if millions were being defrauded, this would be a class action lawsuit.

What is wrong with being a "helpless" victim according to you? I freely give my money to Innova for their products and they fulfill the agreement. These are binding transactions. It sounds like "you are helpless, keep you mouth shut because..."No one held a gun to anyone else's head demanding money." and because "People freely gave money to an unproven company with no tangible product." You are not a "helpless victim" they only took your money and you can't do anything about it.

Is there something wrong with being a victim? Would you support or sympathize with a victim or the perpetrator in this situation?

I don't support them...but...but...but...but.

If you don't support such an activity, then you don't. You, me and many others on these forums are part of the disc golf community and I don't feel that this should be given any room for justification for what they did by blaming it on the victims. Know what I mean? In this situation, when they use a awesome icon like Avery Jenkings who a lot of people know and like because of what he does for the sport, it is easy to defraud the disc golf community and I think the disc golf community should be aware of these. I wouldn't have imagined something like this when you have Avery's image on something, he is a very reputable person in the disc golf world.

 

[Slider]

Again, I am not defending them. If they promised something and didn't come through on it, they're wrong. But that doesn't make those that gave them money helpless victims, which is my point. No one held a gun to anyone else's head demanding money. People freely gave money to an unproven company with no tangible product. IMO, there's an inherent risk involved in putting money into something like that.

So I'll call it what it is...you got suckered.

Really...I don't support them...really I don't support them = )

I will call you a sucker but I won't call them a thief = )

 

[Slider]

Sounds a little backwards to me. You call the victims suckers and you don't call out the perpetrators. A little interesting don't you think?

 

[Slider]

He stole from me...that is ok, because I had it coming = )

What they did was wrong...but...but...but I had it coming :wall: . ohhh me victim. I was wrong not them:thmbup:

 

[JC17393]

I called out the "perpetrators" four months ago. I didn't give them any money as a result. Now I'm amusing myself on a crappy snowy afternoon by tweaking the suckers who did. Thanks for playing along.

 

[Broken Shoulder]

They didn't hack into your checking account and steal your money. You chose to send them money because they said you'd get something for it. That is the point he is making, not that they're fine to just take the money and run. He said they were wrong, he's just choosing different words. Why is this even an argument?

For that matter, why do people continue to send money to any old guy when he promises something disc golf related?

 

[oddjob]

you can always dispute the charge with your credit card company and get your money back for non-receipt.

 

[UCF_Knight]

Isn't this why Paypal has Dispute Resolution? Or did they say you could only pay through friends and family? If that's the case then you are suckers lol If not, file disputes and let Paypal work it out.